Pinnacle Mins
 

What are the current competitive mins at pinnacle? I sent a resume a week ago and got an e-mail back saying to build some more time and to get some jet training.

lol, I got the same email.

I'm at about 800/50.

So is this info still accurate? I think this data is just taken from pinnacle website.

Just go to a job fair. They set me up with an interview there with about 650-70 multi. Just make sure you have the ATP written out of the way prior to since it's a requirement to interview.

I don't understand how pinnacle, out of all places, is affording to keep mins so high...

They're not keeping mins that high. Guys with just more than 200 hours are getting hired if they are from one of their bridge programs...

They're turning down 800/50 for 250/8 Jet U guys. Beats me. I referred two guys and both got the same "go to Jet U" email.

Yeah, I think that is it. Must have some sort of jet training or come from a bridge program to be accepted with low time.

Go to some other company where you don't have to waste thousands of dollars on some redundant jet training. You will get the jet training AFTER you get hired. What a scam.

yea but i can see why some airlines like those jet training programs because it probably means lower failure rates. the could care less about your time, they just dont want to put you through training and then have you fail 3/4 of the way through for not being able to make the "transition" to a jet

Its weird how it all works as I've met people who've been hired with Pinnacle at mid 400TT. I guess it proves that 'minimums' are flexible these days depending on who you know and who is evaluating the candidates...

I used to work for 9E chucking bags in college and I got the email to go to JetU.... Can't say I am too happy with it.... although I have heard (and this might be heresay) if a 9E pilot walks your resume in that they don't send you the JetU email and actually consider your application.... provided that you do have the ATP written out of the way.

Not quite- I walked a good friend's resume in just last week. He had 600TT/100multi and is currently flying SIC part 135 in a tprop and is a CFI. He was told that he needed more time. A few months ago I sent a different friend's resume in with 700/100 and he was hired. Right now the company feels the staffing is good so they are hiring for attrition, and with CA mins being met when people walk in the door the company can be picky because the people coming in have 3500+ trying to get the PIC time. Last week we had a memo that all the New hire CA's were required to first get 100 hours in the plane (so I am guessing a new CA must be an FO for 100 hours first- which I think is a good thing). I didn't read it too thoroughly since I will be upgrading conventionally. Basicly right now the company is not losing as many out the door and we are still hiring at a good pace but the new hires either have alot of time (for a quick upgrade) or are low timers from bridge programs. What I have heard *rumor mill* is that the bridge program peeps bring money to the company. Supposedly JetU/ATP give the company money for hiring a student that passed the bridge program. I haven't researched it- doesn't pertain to me. The email my friend received reiterated the published 1000/100 mins. Hope it helps...

i didn't waist thousands of dollars to get hired at pinnacle. i received my jet training after i got hired at pinnacle. i came here with 1200hrs tt and a couple hunderd multi though.. people have no patience now a days to actually do what it takes to get the time, instructing, flying checks, and small charter are the things of the past i guess.

yeah, i guess if you want to be a street captain here you have to be an fo for 100hrs,, but dont fret people, we still had almost 15 captain spots go unfilled this last vacancy.

You have to wonder if someone is getting some serious kickbacks for pushing pilots towards some overpriced JetU program. What a waste.

Edit your emails and resend them to yourselves. Where it says "go to JetU" delete and replace with "go to Mesaba" (or anywhere else, for that matter). If you are applying to regionals, then you have ALREADY received the training you need. You will get further training from your EMPLOYER, paid by your employer.

Please don't put up with this crap. What if you go to JetU, and then DON'T get hired? What value have you received then for your thousands of dollars? Do they type you at JetU? If not, you are throwing money away. The only people who would ever care if you went to JetU are the people at PCL sending you that email.

I used to know Mr. Terry Metford now Chief Pilot of Pinnacle Airlines.
I got interview with them in 1999.…, and ... 2002.…..

I am wonder if Kim still in charge of the HR.

Anyway to make the story short …regarding the flight time and a possible hiring with this Company,……….. you have to know someone …. no matter what do you have..!!! I know for my personal experience. I was introduced form someone in the Company…and in a matter of two days I got an interview with them . Unfortunately this was post 9-11 so I have to compete with pilots coming from NWA …so go figure…!!!!!!
........ Jet U or not Jet U ….I think the program that they are presenting in this school is extremely valuable. However, personally I would not pay 27k for a 14 weeks when there are company in the Miami Area that will be able to give you a chance to fly Cargo or Corporate,……… with a good pay check, and gain a lot experience.

Post 9-11 I have to earned hours through CFII and Corporate jobs. I didn’t pay 30k or 50k for schools ..actually I got paid 30k and 60 k and able to get experience.
As far concern 121 experiences I suggest you ATP for about 6 days for 6k (6-6k) …………it would give you a chance for a fast track to the REG…..

and ..,

If you are a “ Rich daddy’s boy or girl …:D...well the best school is definitely …. CAPT School ………55 hours PIC and 55 SIC on the MD90 with (Type Rating).……. CRM and such…..which will get you everywhere ;)


MaxJet:cool:

Yeah, I will not be spending money on JetU. I will wait around for someomne esle.

On a side note, those saying that people are not paying their dues and doing what it takes to get to a regional, and that you should go fly checks and frieght doesn't seem possible. That type of flying requires 1200tt, unless there is some sic deal I don't know about. I would love to fly checks at night but I just don't see how it would work??

Talked to a 9E crew doing a HPN stand-up a couple months back and they said they don't have enough staffing to cover their current number of aircraft MINUS the ones they were losing to Mesaba. With that in mind, neither CA or FO had "any *******in' idea" where they were gonna find pilots to cover the 900s for Delta.

Were they ill-informed, or has that much changed in 60 days?

Boiler- This company doesn't react until AFTER the crap hits the fan. June-August were horrible as far as staffing. Lines were built to 95 hours and they were Junior Manning the #1 seniority CA. It was crap. We are still understaffed relatively speaking but we are able to cover all of our flying and have reserves. Lines for October are back down to an average of 88 hours. This company runs a lean pilot group but the training department geared up in June and now the new hires are hitting the line. If we start taking deliveries of these -900's and the -200's are still here we are going to be right back into a staffing nightmare. The company is trying to get more CA's. The mins were lowered to upgrade get FO's through the door but many didn't take the upgrade for QOL or whatever other reason, now the company is going to new hire street captains. Also, the average IOE time went up from 30 to something like 60 hours with all the low timers so they are trying to get it back down to just OE, not primary training and OE. I do not support JetU or ATP- I have said that since I showed up a year ago with 1000/250, but supply and demand rules the industry. It took 3 months per class, in June they started classes 1 per week so in 3 months we have added ALOT of FO's. Not much has changed but there are more bodies for scheduling to manipulate. The issue that is still to be seen is the issue of timing out. Many- including myself- are looking at 1000 before the end of the year. I even was on rsv the first 2 months. Some are going to be off for most of november and all of december. That is the variable that will affect us the most with the holidays coming into view. Either way- DO NOT PAY FOR JET EXPERIENCE. Everybody is hiring and whoever hires you is required to train you, and they pay you! (not much though:cool:) Supposedly the NH pay is still $400/wk though the $200/wk rumor has not come true yet.

I was sent the same email as well....i was at 600tt and 160 multi. Im flying 121 but not at a regional. No way im going to by a crj transition course. Ill reapply down the road if i dont get where i want to.

By sending applicants to JetU, PCL is just playing a variation of that classic bugaboo: PAY FOR TRAINING.

PCL is trying to make low timers pay for training which PCL should be providing free of charge. Most, if not all, other regionals who are hiring low timers provide them with whatever training is needed for success. Everyone (with low timers) is seeing rises in Sim time and OE required. That's just what it takes. If a company is not willing to provide needed training, then they need to pony up and make the job more desirable so that ol' free market will attract the pilots they want.

Don't pay for JetU. If the company needs JetU, then the COMPANY can d@mn well pay for JetU.

With the market the way it is for pilots, it is just plain absurd for pilots to pay for wasteful outsourced training.

hahahaha yeah man,, i just looked at crewtrac and i am sitting at just over 750hours for the year... they cant put me on reserve, and they cant make me fly 95 hours a month for the next 3 months!!! i guess the only thing i am wondering is when they are going to give me my vacation... :)

Denied due to low staffing

Yep. That's what I remember most about 9E.:D

From my opinion, I wouldnt do Jet U. or a CRJ transition course if you dont have to.....yea they are good and can give you a headstart in groundscholol, however if you dont have to pay the loot to do it, dont! there are plenty of airlines hiring right now that you dont need it for, at my interview there were 3 of us and only 2 of us got hired, the one who didnt had the a CRJ transition course under his belt and still didnt cut it, so it doesnt matter one or the other, yea it is helpful and will give you a leg up somewhat in systems and flying glass, but its not a neccesity from wha tI have seen thus far.