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Do future employers view someone resigning from training because of bad performance the same as failing out? I resigned(though not technically employed yet) the other day because I was not flying well in the simulator.

Good question, I guess it all depends how the airline (which one if you dont mind) categorized you when you left............. But they are going to ask you why you left, and you are going to have to be honest, so essentially its the same thing. If hey didnt ask you to leave, I would not have left, I would of tried until they kicked me out, but you know yourself better than anyone so in reality maybe it was a very mature decision................. Its not going to ruin your career, you just might have to explain a little more than you would like...........But what was the issue, and how much time do you have whats your background?

Put it this way. Training isn't cheap so they may not like that you "resigned". Plus other airlines will be very hesitant to invest $20K into you because you left another during training. I think your safe bet would to not mention that you left. Why would you quit because you weren't flying the sim good? Like Saab said "Only leave when they kick you out"

I hate being negative but once you get to the sims they've invested a lot of money at this point so it's going to hurt you in the future.

It was pinnacle airlines. I was struggling with stalls, and I really did not have any confidence that I was going to pick it up as quickly as they needed me too, so I thought washing out was imminent. I always thought it was better to resign than be fired. I had struggled with the stalls during the first two sims, but the third sim was pretty bad which earned me a chewing out from the instructor. I was a flight instructor and I had some time in the right seat of king airs. My times are TT 920 and 150ME

Dude, you sound like a nice guy, and a honest one, but I was chewed out pretty bad in my first 4 sims. This was the instructor's technique and it made my partner and me school the PC. When the instructor is yelling at you he is just frustrated with himself that you aren't succeeding, not that you suck. People who don't struggle early will fail terribly at the end. Next time stick it out, you'll be a better pilot for it.

I wouldn't let that get you down too much. Stalls in the CRJ are nasty, at best.

At my airline, you don't get immediately washed out and terminated. They will tell you that the end is very near, giving you the opportunity to resign and keep your dignity.
But like said before, don't try to cover up for it. If asked, say exactly what you just said. You didn't feel comfortable with continuing on at the pace they requested. But if given another opportunity, you could take what you've already learned and apply it more.......

Tell me about CRJ stalls. This sounds interesting.

I am very sorry to hear about your experience. Mesaba might offer a better training environment if you are willing to try again. Same choice of bases.

www.mesaba.com

My sim partner had problems at first with the stalls in the ERJ, kept on getting the shaker but he sucked it up, had a really great attitude and did them great from there on in. Not to sound like a jerk but when you blow an engine after the PM calls V1 are you going to "resign" hell no! you are going to KICK THAT RUDDER LIKE MESA MANAGEMENT KICKS THERE PILOTS.............and if you go down in flames (Literally) well hell....... at least you gave it a shot...........

Ha, well, let's just say that they're so violent that half the time the simulator motion base would get overloaded and we'd come crashing down to the floor!

Thats because you are supposed to recover at the shaker.............:p

Well where's the fun in that?

Actually training at my airline is very good. It's based on an a person with previous experience in the CRJ, so it's a bit advanced at times. But nothing that people can't get through. It's not the standard old style let's teach you everything then test you on everything. It's the newer style of let me teach you this, test you, then we'll move onto something else.

ADVANCE THE PL'S CALL FOR MAX POWER KEEP THE PITCH UP SO YOU DON'T SINK AND START ASKING FOR THE CLEANUP! :eek::eek:

yeah a good training department means a ton, I hear Eagles is tough, we had two wash out but our training department is truly one of a kind, they were great

My SIM partner only lost 50 feet after getting the pusher. I still don't know how the hell he did it.

As far as quiting before being let go I can only say this... I know a guy who had "left" two different airlines durring his training. Each one he had an excuse for. Instead of being honest about his experience and abilities at the time, he made excuses. It is very easy to see through that BS. And when the PRIA paperwork came in, the instructors comments made it very clear. Just make sure you are honest and focus on what you learned and how much you have grown since then in your next interview. I think most people would much rather hire honest pilots that have struggled in the past than excuse makers that can't learn.

I would agree though....next time go down fighting. Everyone struggles at some point. Let them tell you your not going to make it. The instructors have a much better insight into your abilities than you might think, and 9 times out of 10 they are much tougher on you than the checkairmen.

DD

well you know what the thing is.. when you're not doing so hot in training, companies will usually give you a chance to resign rather than fail you outright. all the airlines know this, so I think if they heard that an applicant resigned during 121 training, they will at least suspect that you were "asked to resign" aka failed out (even if you technically didnt.) even if you resigned on your own accord without being asked to. what I'm saying is, if you resigned because you were asked to, your records won't say "asked to resign." it will say, "resigned." and it says the same thing "resigned" if you resigned without being asked to. there is no distinction between the two on paper, so it's easiest to assume you were asked to resign, which is practically same thing as failing out.
basically you would have to do a good job of explaining it in person and convince them why they should pay to put you through training again.

Technically, you can't resign from a place that you were never employed at. Symantics, I know, but it could work in your favor. The question is, will it show up on your PRIA record if you were A) never employed and B) didn't even finish a training cycle?

I would call it a drag demo more than a stall. However, there pretty hard. Nothing in the CRJ sim was even as close to be "hard" as a V1 cut in the E120!

One option the OP might consider is building your time up to 135 mins and work for six months, to a year, flying freight. It's a good confidence builder and would be a base from which to "start over". You won't have to worry about large sim training, either.

I've done stalls in a level D sim, too. They don't spend a lot of time on it. You just have to stick with the profile and hope for the best. I can see how a guy could sort of develop a block with it and struggle. Then, throw in a yelling instructor, and a guy could pretty much be a goner.

People overcome all sorts of adversity in this career. DUI's, FAR violation's, ect. You have to put time and a positive work history between you and the event.

de727ups, is that really you in that jc link??

From when I was 29.