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Compass Intel
I would love to get any intel anyone wants to share about Compass. I guess I'm looking for anything I should consider when interviewing there (i.e Upgrade time, what to prep for the interview, are those promises starting to come true now that the ball is rolling?)
Also, on the employment webpage, it says that candidates must be willing to relocate to domicle...is this true? is there no commuting? |
Do a search of this forum... there's a lot of info that's previously been posted.
Compass does allow commuting, however everybody is considered "domiciled" when they are in training at MSP, and hotels are not provided. Neither is transportation to and from MSP for various activities during training (drug test/medical screening/etc). |
Ok thanks...I can deal with that. I did search some other posts but I also ran into some failry negative comments (like promises not being made and getting FO pay when flying as CA). I am hoping that this is attributable to being a new operation, etc. Surely, there's some pros and cons....aren't there?
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Yeah, we're all pros who got conned!
Damn I'm good :-) |
Flyerjosh had a great post on the process back in May I think, it was a big help. Its a great place that is new and growning. At the interview they said it might be a couple of weeks to a month to the left seat depending on acircraft delivery. That has slipped a little the last few months because Embrearer. In class it looked like we would have an aircraft when finished with IOE but with the slips in delivery it will be a month maybe two to captain. 36 airctaft option for 18. That is 200 Captains with 36 b. Most captains will flow up in a year or two anyway. So if you are under 200 it will the end of 08. it might be two or three years. They want you to flow up. Then if they get 18 in 09... They have ALPA and a contract. Also the NWA pilots approved the small jet flying.
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Bata, is the flow not in the alpa contract? From what I know about the contract the flow is locked at 30 months min. Also it only allows for 25% of the capt. list to flow each year or about 75 people each year. There are also huge FAA issue with loosing 50% of your captains each year at a 121 carrier. If history is any tell of the future, the flow may not work as advertised. Those that don't know the history of the airline industry are really sheep being led to the butcher.
5 crews per aircraft is normal so for 36 aircraft that would give you 180 captains. For low time people this looks like it may turn out to be a decent place to be. For anyone with any decent flight time, it may not be a good idea. Each to their own as none of us know what will happen. I do know here at ASA we are loosing people to all of the majors at a very nice rate right now. Good luck to all of your Compass guys and galls. |
Eric3D,
Can you elaborate on the FAA issues with having Captains leave the property? I haven't heard this one before. The way I see it (from a reg standpoint) is this: as long as the guy sitting in the left seat meets CA requirements via the OpSpecs, then it's fine. What say you? |
This is all good intel...I'm just nervous because I am looking at giving up a good paying corporate gig with nice airplanes to pursue the airline thing. Compass seems (on paper) to be a "decent" route short of a major picking me up...especially with the prospect of quick upgrades.
Did someone say that Compass does not pay hotel for training? Yikes! |
Originally Posted by Falconguy
(Post 239539)
Did someone say that Compass does not pay hotel for training? Yikes! You will have positive space travel from MSP to Montreal and the company will pay for hotel and pay per diem as well. |
Originally Posted by aircraftdriver
(Post 239560)
This is true when your training is in domicile (MSP). Most of your new hire training is home study via distance learning. You'll need to spend a total of about 10 nights in MSP (your own dime) before you are sent to Montreal for sims.
You will have positive space travel from MSP to Montreal and the company will pay for hotel and pay per diem as well. On the whole I am pleased with the company on most things....the one thing I am not though is a very BIG thing...or maybe I should say little...my paycheck. This past month I had 20 days off but of the 10 days flying and 35 hours I put in from the left seat I received 0 hours of CA pay. The explanation I received from the Chief pilot was that the hours flown from the left seat would be compensated as such...but the hours sitting at home were going to be comp'd at FO pay....another words he says I should have been paid 35 hours CA rate and 40 hours FO to finish the 75 hour guarentee. Although this is still BS!! I didn't even receive that. All I can say is $500 - $600 checks every 2 weeks just doesn't pay the bills PERIOD. :( |
Flow is going to move up to probably a year but may not be the percentage. Do not know about the contract and flow but it is being worked on. There is about 120 pilots hired now, that would be about 6 months in the right seat. Start saving if you plan to flow up because you will be at first year pay again!
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 240453)
That whole paying for hotels in MSP during training sucks but it sounds like half the majors including NWA right now are doing the SAME thing...and for almost the same pay ($30 an hour). The good thing is that you receive 24 hour per diem for about 40 days in YUL. This helps those ludicrous paychecks they are sending out.
On the whole I am pleased with the company on most things....the one thing I am not though is a very BIG thing...or maybe I should say little...my paycheck. This past month I had 20 days off but of the 10 days flying and 35 hours I put in from the left seat I received 0 hours of CA pay. The explanation I received from the Chief pilot was that the hours flown from the left seat would be compensated as such...but the hours sitting at home were going to be comp'd at FO pay....another words he says I should have been paid 35 hours CA rate and 40 hours FO to finish the 75 hour guarentee. Although this is still BS!! I didn't even receive that. All I can say is $500 - $600 checks every 2 weeks just doesn't pay the bills PERIOD. :( |
Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 240453)
This past month I had 20 days off but of the 10 days flying and 35 hours I put in from the left seat I received 0 hours of CA pay.
The explanation I received from the Chief pilot was that the hours flown from the left seat would be compensated as such...but the hours sitting at home were going to be comp'd at FO pay....another words he says I should have been paid 35 hours CA rate and 40 hours FO to finish the 75 hour guarentee. Although this is still BS!! I didn't even receive that. All I can say is $500 - $600 checks every 2 weeks just doesn't pay the bills PERIOD. :( |
Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 240453)
This past month I had 20 days off but of the 10 days flying and 35 hours I put in from the left seat I received 0 hours of CA pay.
The explanation I received from the Chief pilot was that the hours flown from the left seat would be compensated as such...but the hours sitting at home were going to be comp'd at FO pay....another words he says I should have been paid 35 hours CA rate and 40 hours FO to finish the 75 hour guarentee. Although this is still BS!! I didn't even receive that. All I can say is $500 - $600 checks every 2 weeks just doesn't pay the bills PERIOD. :( You should NOT stand for this. Refuse to fly left seat until they pay you left seat wages... THE WHOLE MONTH! |
The major problem I have is the deception that I feel took place. Most of the ppl flying at CP have a wife and kids to support. We all have bills that are more than first year FO pay can pay. EVERYONE who took this job had to weigh the pros and cons. We were told that we would be CA's (possibly checkairmen depending on the class) and we all were told to expect CA pay day one of class. I truly believe that they NEVER had any intentions of keeping these promises. Then week 2 of class we are told that we are being paid at year 1 FO pay and can expect CA pay once in IOE??? This again is a promise that will NOT be kept. I can attest these broken promises as I have been working here since June and still havent recieved 1 hour of CA pay although I have flown close to 50 hours as such.
I have also heard they will make it up on the following months check...didn't happen for the time I flew in August....and September make up check has come and gone. I think everyone that can should attend the union meeting. I think it is tomorrow? Details if you have them. If I had made this many lies about my resume in the interview you think it would be ok with them. When anyone is thinking of taking a job at least they should expect is too be told the truth. If they didn't intend to be paying CA pay until your out holding a line then they SHOULD have said this when asked in the interview. I REALLY don't like being lied too....Especially knowingly. To sit there and look me in the eye and deceive me knowing that you are putting my family on the line in regards to this pay really upset me. :( |
Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 240667)
The major problem I have is the deception that I feel took place. Most of the ppl flying at CP have a wife and kids to support. We all have bills that are more than first year FO pay can pay. EVERYONE who took this job had to weigh the pros and cons. We were told that we would be CA's (possibly checkairmen depending on the class) and we all were told to expect CA pay day one of class. I truly believe that they NEVER had any intentions of keeping these promises. Then week 2 of class we are told that we are being paid at year 1 FO pay and can expect CA pay once in IOE??? This again is a promise that will NOT be kept. I can attest these broken promises as I have been working here since June and still havent recieved 1 hour of CA pay although I have flown close to 50 hours as such.
I have also heard they will make it up on the following months check...didn't happen for the time I flew in August....and September make up check has come and gone. I think everyone that can should attend the union meeting. I think it is tomorrow? Details if you have them. If I had made this many lies about my resume in the interview you think it would be ok with them. When anyone is thinking of taking a job at least they should expect is too be told the truth. If they didn't intend to be paying CA pay until your out holding a line then they SHOULD have said this when asked in the interview. I REALLY don't like being lied too....Especially knowingly. To sit there and look me in the eye and deceive me knowing that you are putting my family on the line in regards to this pay really upset me. :( Being continually lied to is unethical and illegal. No need to take such abuse if you have payments to make, especially now that every Regional and most Majors are hiring. |
Hey M the meeting is at 6 tomorrow. I am on RSV but if they don't use me I will be at the meeting. Call me if you need a ride from the airport.
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This Wednesday is our
1st ALPA meeting at 6pm Directions to the ALPA office: From 494 go south on 34th Ave., take a right on American Blvd. and then your first right onto International Drive. 7900 International Drive is the blue glass building next to AmeriSuites on your left. Enter and go up to Suite 850. |
We met with the Northwest union tonight, they represent us, and expressed out frustrations. Nothing really got resolved, just putting plans together to file all of our grievances. About 20-25 compass pilots showed up and many were pretty upset about all the pay issues we’re dealing with. The main topics discussed about were: First, CA pay was negotiated to begin at the start of IOE. Second, working on grievences for CA pay and check airmen letter. Third, trying to resolve the training contract issues. The one thing they didn’t initially bring up was any changes to the flow thru, we asked, and they said really nothing about it. They said there were some negotiating about Mesaba and Compass on percentages, but other than that they were pretty vague. So I don’t know where people are getting these rumors about changes to the flow thru. It would be great to know where people are hearing these rumors and if it’s from a good source.
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Just got my interview package and noticed they didn't make arrangements for me to fly to MSP. I live in an NWA served city and when I got a package from Mesaba, they did make those arrangements...so I am confused....can someone shed light on this for me?
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Originally Posted by Falconguy
(Post 242255)
Just got my interview package and noticed they didn't make arrangements for me to fly to MSP. I live in an NWA served city and when I got a package from Mesaba, they did make those arrangements...so I am confused....can someone shed light on this for me?
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Originally Posted by Falconguy
(Post 239539)
This is all good intel...I'm just nervous because I am looking at giving up a good paying corporate gig with nice airplanes to pursue the airline thing. Compass seems (on paper) to be a "decent" route short of a major picking me up...especially with the prospect of quick upgrades.
Did someone say that Compass does not pay hotel for training? Yikes! |
So....as for the interview process, I know how it works (interview, 727sim, and knowledge test) but what is the sim like and what is the knowledge test like? Basically an ATP test, I'd assume.
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Originally Posted by bata
(Post 240490)
Flow is going to move up to probably a year but may not be the percentage. Do not know about the contract and flow but it is being worked on. There is about 120 pilots hired now, that would be about 6 months in the right seat. Start saving if you plan to flow up because you will be at first year pay again!
Who or what are your sources???? |
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