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Tuckster 09-30-2007 06:02 AM

Mesa Training Questions
 
Anyone been thru their training recently ?? I think its in Phoenix.
What to expect ??

Do they or any of the other regionals use QRC ???
(quick reference checklist)

N2rotation 09-30-2007 06:21 AM

Tuckster... is this flamebait? If not, tell us why you want to go work for Mesa. I hope you know that it is the worst regional in the US to work for... and they are getting sued for $177 million right now.

Probably a great time to look at working for better companies that pay more, respect you and give you a better schedule. :confused: You can't say we didn't warn you.

FlyerJosh 09-30-2007 06:22 AM

I know that Horizon uses QRC. ACA/IDE did back in the day. Don't know about other airlines, but I can try to find out for you if you'd like...

CamYZ125 09-30-2007 07:09 AM

They'll put you up in an extended stay hotel (either double, or single occupancy depending...) for the 4 weeks of groundschool. You'll get paid the 70hr monthly guarantee during training. Typically 6:30-3:00ish each day, 5 days a week, sometimes weekends.

Then you'll come back sometime later for a couple days of cockpit systems integration and the oral. Then some more time off (undetermined) till sims. Seems to be a pretty long delay to get into sims at this time.

Tuckster 09-30-2007 11:07 AM

Thanks to all ....... Not flamebait .....
I know there are better choices however, I'd like to hear as much as I can on them.... They may be my only offer ????

I'd like to hear more on regionals using QRC

ERJdude 09-30-2007 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Tuckster (Post 239741)
Thanks to all ....... Not flamebait .....
I know there are better choices however, I'd like to hear as much as I can on them.... They may be my only offer ????

I'd like to hear more on regionals using QRC


Mesa uses a QRH (quick reference handbook) and an EPC (Emergency Procedures Checklist) in addition to emergency and normal checklists.

waflyboy 09-30-2007 04:13 PM

There are 3 guys who came over from Mesa in my class at Skywest. Based on what I've heard from them, you'd be better off anywhere else. This includes flight instructing and 135 freight. Search the Mesa threads on this forum and you'll find similar opinion.

If you can't get on with any other airline due to your experience, I would strongly suggest you consider flight instructing to gain the experience you need. There are some killer CFI jobs out there right now - a good way to save some money before your first year as an airline pilot.

Don't worry about who uses a QRH and who doesn't until you're hired. The company you end up working for will train you to use their resources. For the sake of yourself and of the industry, I hope that company is not Mesa.

FlyerJosh 09-30-2007 06:28 PM

All companies that fly transport category aircraft utilize QRH procedures. I think the original question pertains to which ones use QRC (Quick Reference Checklists) in lieu of more traditional memory items for all emergencies.

One of the first things I did at my current job was implement a QRC (we're part 91, so it wasn't a big deal). That replaced 14 memory item procedures with just 5 (and 3 of them are "Oxygen mask- Don, Crew communications- Establish).

CL-65DRIVER 09-30-2007 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by N2rotation (Post 239631)
Tuckster... is this flamebait? If not, tell us why you want to go work for Mesa. I hope you know that it is the worst regional in the US to work for... and they are getting sued for $177 million right now.

Probably a great time to look at working for better companies that pay more, respect you and give you a better schedule. :confused: You can't say we didn't warn you.

But they have big shiny jets!!!

N2rotation 10-01-2007 06:20 AM

Here's some more hearsay/info to expect as you start your brilliant career at the worst regional airline in the United States:

Here are some facts and figures you should be aware of if you are still 'sitting on the fence' on whether or not Mesa will be in operation in the near future.
By the end of this November over 250 pilots will have timed out for the year. Just in time for the busy holiday season.
The company continues to lose on average 25 to 35 pilots a month. Link: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=14vtp4i&s=2 (be sure to click on 'Full Size')
Average IOE time for new pilots coming online is between 50 to 85 hours. Some pilots are even taking over 100 hours to be line qualified.
Based on only 2 days of testimony I think we can safely say that some type of monetary judgment will be levied against Mesa. Also, remember that this is only the first trial, Mesa goes up against Aloha next.
Mesa use to have $300 million dollars in liquid cash which was raised through a number of institutional investors. In the last year and a half the company has burned through $122 million of that reserve and needless to say many of Mesa's investors are none to happy about the financial situation of the company.


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