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Originally Posted by saab2000
(Post 241120)
I don't know a thing about military training, but you are right about the Euro Ab Initio training. It is highly selective and highly structured. Those 200-300 hour pilots on Airbuses and Boeings are perfectly qualified to be sitting there.
I am sure the military training is selective and tough as well, which is why those guys don't usually have trouble with airline training AFAIK. Ironically, two of the worst pilots I have flown with have been ex-military. But so has one of the best. Former B-52 commander. Gets it in every respect. |
Toilet if you wouldn't let your family fly with them you need to go to the FAA and report this as a safety issue. Your family is no more special than the general public. To make a claim like you are doing is bogus. It's a dis-service to the Captain taking on this responsibility, the ground school instructors, the sim instructors, the Line check airman the training department as a whole are preparing these street captains to be safe. If you feel all these people won't do a good enough job, YOU need to go to the FAA and report it, until you do you are a hypocrite, PERIOD.
There is no grey line it's black and white, go to the FAA, suggest how to make this safer. (example the UNION is preparing a mentor program for all new hires [don't rip on this one to, it's not a union lovefest, it's about fostering safety] Be part of the solution if you don't like what's going on. |
Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 241169)
Anyway it was just a comment to be kinda funny.
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 241169)
Yup. I look at who flies what. If I see a list of regionals going home I stick with the ones I feel are better. I never get on a Freedom, Mesa, or GoJet. I've never been in a position where I was stuck with only them. I'm sure everyone is qualified as they must meet FAA standards. Doesn't mean I can't have a small fear of flying with some. Anyway it was just a comment to be kinda funny. Like I said I know anyone there has met FAA standards. But yes I still worry.
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Originally Posted by xjsaab
(Post 241263)
Toilet if you wouldn't let your family fly with them you need to go to the FAA and report this as a safety issue. Your family is no more special than the general public. To make a claim like you are doing is bogus. It's a dis-service to the Captain taking on this responsibility, the ground school instructors, the sim instructors, the Line check airman the training department as a whole are preparing these street captains to be safe. If you feel all these people won't do a good enough job, YOU need to go to the FAA and report it, until you do you are a hypocrite, PERIOD.
There is no grey line it's black and white, go to the FAA, suggest how to make this safer. (example the UNION is preparing a mentor program for all new hires [don't rip on this one to, it's not a union lovefest, it's about fostering safety] Be part of the solution if you don't like what's going on. ooooooo ouch I was waiting for someone to use that. Let's come up with another term. How about fireball upgraders... In the Air force we used to call guys/girls "fireball 9's" when they scored high on their APR reports. I don't know. Nothing wrong with street captains everyone who was eligible to upgrade were given the chance. |
Originally Posted by IHateMgmt
(Post 241278)
I hear ya, can't say I totally disagree with you. BUT, before you go sticking Mesaba in the ranks of who you just mentioned, I would remind you to look at our training and safety record... among the best. Mesaba is part of the red tail family (and therefore leaves a lot to be desired) but we are not, a scab airline.
I like to call us "a Legacy Regional".:D |
Yup, it's true:
Street Captain's are being advertised for on www.mesaba.com. It's also true that Mesaba has an exceptionally good training department and an impeccable safety record. We also have a very active and focused union and a good overall employee group who want to help keep Mesaba a respectable airline. We will all have to keep on our toes in the coming months, from the most senior captain down to the freshest new hire. |
Originally Posted by LoudFastRules
(Post 240891)
Well, it's right there in the latest vacancy award. The Junior Detroit Saab Captain was hired in August 2007.
It's such an extreme change from what pilots at Mesaba are used to, I don't think anyone quite knows what to think about it! |
Actually, the most junior upgrade is a Saab FO, and will go to training as scheduled. There are some jet FO's who will be bypassed until Feb. They'll start getting Saab CA pay in Dec-Jan (8 weeks from class start). Lucky for them, they'll be the only jet FO's getting paid what they should all be paid!
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