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Fokker28 10-10-2007 09:12 AM
PDX based Skywest pilots and FAs...
 
Over here at QX, we are losing our Port of Portland issued orange badges. The company says there is nothing they can do, blah, blah, blah. What I am wondering is whether you have heard of a similar change to your security status at PDX? If you think it's too sensitive a topic to post openly, please PM me. It's important to our pilot group that we know whether, or how, the company is trying to screw us over this time.

Thanks,

Fokker28

waflyboy 10-10-2007 12:42 PM
Why are you losing your badges? Don't you need them to do your job effectively?

JetJock16 10-10-2007 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 245219)
Why are you losing your badges? Don't you need them to do your job effectively?
How does a badget stop you from doing your job "effectively?" :confused:

JetJock16 10-10-2007 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Fokker28 (Post 245111)
Over here at QX, we are losing our Port of Portland issued orange badges. The company says there is nothing they can do, blah, blah, blah. What I am wondering is whether you have heard of a similar change to your security status at PDX? If you think it's too sensitive a topic to post openly, please PM me. It's important to our pilot group that we know whether, or how, the company is trying to screw us over this time.

Thanks,

Fokker28
Is that your SIDA badge? I'm not PDX based but I’m assuming a Port of Portland Badge would be? Unfortunately each airport has the right to govern their badges. I personally would love to see a universal national SIDA badge although I see the reasoning behind not having one. This is one of the main reasons I’m seriously looking into becoming an FFDO.

TangoBar 10-10-2007 05:44 PM
Ameriflight pilots at PDX are not issued the PoP badges but the Line Service personnel are, since they have to travel over to UPS and ABX in ground vehicles. I would assume the Port's reasoning is that pilots don't have reason to be on the ramp in areas where their aircraft are not.

Has anyone been questioned, warned, or denied entry to the ramp for not having a PoP badge?

Fokker28 10-10-2007 06:49 PM
Yep, the SIDA badge, which we have always had in the past. Not having the badge be a big hassle. Our SIDA badges never gave us the 'right' to be outside our lease areas anyway, so that part doesn't change. The main effect is to force us through the screening checkpoints where we didn't have to in the past. Doesn't sound like too big a deal, but due to the volume of flight crews we move around in PDX, it will have a sizable impact.

Oh, well. At least the Menzies folks can still use the bypass doors with their bulging daypacks everyday.

waflyboy 10-10-2007 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 245261)
How does a badget stop you from doing your job "effectively?" :confused:
Ahhhh, nevermind. I guess the SITA badge doesn't really give you any special privlidge other than bypassing security, which you're not supposed to do if you're flying. For some reason I thought you had to have one to access the ramp, crew room and maintenance hangar but apparently I remember wrong. Had I not been wrong, one would obviously be obstructed from doing their job as a pilot.

I threw "effectively" in there as an ineffective attempt at a sarcastic tone. Savvy?

waflyboy 10-10-2007 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by Fokker28 (Post 245415)
Oh, well. At least the Menzies folks can still use the bypass doors with their bulging daypacks everyday.
Makes you feel safe, doesn't it?

JungleBus 10-10-2007 08:20 PM
The main pain about lacking a SIDA badge is accessing the crew room. Right now it's a straight shot, but without a SIDA badge it could involve a hike all the way out to the A-gates and back depending on whether anyone is staffing the B-gates or not. Plus the whole going through security thing. Any contact with the TSA puts me in a bad mood to start my day.

TangoBar 10-10-2007 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Fokker28 (Post 245415)
The main effect is to force us through the screening checkpoints where we didn't have to in the past. Doesn't sound like too big a deal, but due to the volume of flight crews we move around in PDX, it will have a sizable impact.
Well that's just... postively bureaucratic. I usually don't pass through terminals while on duty, so I didn't realize the impact it could have.

Fokker28 10-11-2007 05:38 AM
Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 245428)
...bypassing security, which you're not supposed to do if you're flying.


Actually, just the opposite is true. If we are flying a trip, we are allowed to bypass. For deadheading, or just accessing the crew room without a trip, or airport reserve, we are supposed to go through screening. Those guidelines were published a long time ago, and though they haven't been superseded by anything, most blow them off and just bypass whenever.

waflyboy 10-11-2007 02:07 PM
Oh. I watched the video and took the silly little test for a PDX badge about a year ago, and I swear they said you're not allowed to use bypass doors if you're flying, period. But you'd know better than me!

JungleBus 10-11-2007 02:43 PM
That's normally true; the exception is when you are assigned to a flight as a crewmember.

waflyboy 10-11-2007 02:57 PM
I stand corrected.

When did you start with Horizon, JungleBus?

ExperimentalAB 10-11-2007 03:46 PM
We're all waiting for the CrewPass deal...

Hell, if the pax can't trust the Pilots who are flying their aircraft- and thus the security screening, why are they getting on board?! The TSA is a silly institution with silly rules...

Oops that went off-topic a bit LoL just getting some frustration out because I've already destroyed my punching bag ;-P (that was dressed up as a TSA dude haha)

JungleBus 10-11-2007 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 245828)
When did you start with Horizon, JungleBus?
April 2004. Just quit and started at Compass.

check6 10-11-2007 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Fokker28 (Post 245530)
Actually, just the opposite is true. If we are flying a trip, we are allowed to bypass. For deadheading, or just accessing the crew room without a trip, or airport reserve, we are supposed to go through screening. Those guidelines were published a long time ago, and though they haven't been superseded by anything, most blow them off and just bypass whenever.

Let me get this straight. If you are still allowed to bypass security to fly a trip. . .then why are you whining?

Up here in Seattle we lost our badges a long time ago and it hasn't really effected me or anyone I know of.



Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 245454)
The main pain about lacking a SIDA badge is accessing the crew room. Right now it's a straight shot, but without a SIDA badge it could involve a hike all the way out to the A-gates and back depending on whether anyone is staffing the B-gates or not. Plus the whole going through security thing. Any contact with the TSA puts me in a bad mood to start my day.
This is a true statement. That could be a problem although I've never seen the B-area gates not staffed. Remember the customer service center is right there in the west in of the B gates. They've always been accomodating in letting me down to the crew room since I'm Seattle based.

In Seattle, we let ourselves out onto the ramp, SIDA badge or not.

JungleBus 10-12-2007 01:20 AM
Originally Posted by check6 (Post 245950)
Let me get this straight. If you are still allowed to bypass security to fly a trip. . .then why are you whining?

Up here in Seattle we lost our badges a long time ago and it hasn't really affected me or anyone I know of.
You misunderstand. We were allowed to bypass security only because our SIDA badges let us go through the bagwell. When the PDX based crews badges are taken away, then they will be forced to go through security. It's not just coming to work that's the problem...it's getting Quiznos on the 30 minute turns!!!

waflyboy 10-12-2007 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 246032)
It's not just coming to work that's the problem...it's getting Quiznos on the 30 minute turns!!!
Hold out for a SEA turn and go to Qdoba. Much better than Quiznos and a 2.5 min walk from the crew room! Come to think of it, SEA has a better food court, period.

Fokker28 10-12-2007 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by check6 (Post 245950)
Let me get this straight. If you are still allowed to bypass security to fly a trip. . .then why are you whining?

Up here in Seattle we lost our badges a long time ago and it hasn't really effected me or anyone I know of.





This is a true statement. That could be a problem although I've never seen the B-area gates not staffed. Remember the customer service center is right there in the west in of the B gates. They've always been accomodating in letting me down to the crew room since I'm Seattle based.

In Seattle, we let ourselves out onto the ramp, SIDA badge or not.

Because we ARE ABOUT TO LOSE THAT ABILITY! That's kind of what the whole thread is about...


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