ASA and SKYW to merge pilot seniority lists!
10-30-2007, 08:46 PM
#21
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Stapling of SkyWest guys because they weren't ALPA is one of the dumbest concepts ever imagined. It is nothing more than a scare tactic that has been used over and over again, and has never proven to have substance.
ALPA will say anything anyone wants to hear on the front end and a million excuses why things have nothing to do with them on the backside.
A merger is pure darwinism. Any merger involving SkyWest will be done as fairly as possible. There will be considerations of date of hire, relative size, and relative tenure. The end result will be a combination of many things, but other than cheerleading from the sidelines, ALPA will have nothing of substance to do with the procedure because they don't ever want someone who's ****ed coming back at them, and the last thing they want is to establish some sort of legal precedence because down the road in a different situation that commitment could come back to haunt them. The only commitment ALPA will make concerning mergers is to remain totally uncommitted. The only activity they will pursue is to try and take credit for what works and place blame for what doesn't.
ALPA will say anything anyone wants to hear on the front end and a million excuses why things have nothing to do with them on the backside.
A merger is pure darwinism. Any merger involving SkyWest will be done as fairly as possible. There will be considerations of date of hire, relative size, and relative tenure. The end result will be a combination of many things, but other than cheerleading from the sidelines, ALPA will have nothing of substance to do with the procedure because they don't ever want someone who's ****ed coming back at them, and the last thing they want is to establish some sort of legal precedence because down the road in a different situation that commitment could come back to haunt them. The only commitment ALPA will make concerning mergers is to remain totally uncommitted. The only activity they will pursue is to try and take credit for what works and place blame for what doesn't.
10-30-2007, 08:53 PM
#23
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If for some reason there is a merger and the SKW guys all get knocked down 1000 peeps of seniority I don't want to hear any crying or complaining. Most people in this industry have been telling you guys forever to vote for a union and yall have fought against. I hope that 2% of pay really set you up for life.
10-30-2007, 09:01 PM
#24
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Ya'll are a riot. For those yet to decide on ALPA at SKW, take a look at the company emails...and then at the crud that ALPA is selling you. Who's the nicer guy?? No I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid. But I know when I'm being made a Political pawn and you can count me out.
Shred the ballots. Keep the Ballet.
Shred the ballots. Keep the Ballet.
10-30-2007, 09:01 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by bla bla bla
Look I’m trying to be as tactful here as possible, but you have no clue my friend.
When your seniority number drops by 1,000, because your rumor of a "fourth carrier" pushed you to keep ALPA out, don’t say we never told you so.... That’s a big risk you’re going to take on hearsay....
And FYI skyw bought asa in a large part to protect their dal contracts, one very smart move by our management. They secured a 15 year deal with the dal Bk judge before he really knew what was going on. Uhhhh asa is going nowhere...
Pssst, hope you have not "shredded your ballot" yet.
When your seniority number drops by 1,000, because your rumor of a "fourth carrier" pushed you to keep ALPA out, don’t say we never told you so.... That’s a big risk you’re going to take on hearsay....
And FYI skyw bought asa in a large part to protect their dal contracts, one very smart move by our management. They secured a 15 year deal with the dal Bk judge before he really knew what was going on. Uhhhh asa is going nowhere...
Pssst, hope you have not "shredded your ballot" yet.
Ballot's in the trash.
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Ya'll are a riot. For those yet to decide on ALPA at SKW, take a look at the company emails...and then at the crud that ALPA is selling you. Who's the nicer guy?? No I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid. But I know when I'm being made a Political pawn and you can count me out.
Shred the ballots. Keep the Ballet.
Shred the ballots. Keep the Ballet.
10-30-2007, 09:06 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by IronWalt
" alpa’s resources and negotiating experience "
PURE HORSE CRAP!!!
ALPA is the worst thing to ever hit the USAirways property and any of our career expectations. Vote NO FRIGGEN WAY on ALPA.
PURE HORSE CRAP!!!
ALPA is the worst thing to ever hit the USAirways property and any of our career expectations. Vote NO FRIGGEN WAY on ALPA.
Do you work for US Airways? If you don’t have you seen the fences? To me looking from a neutral standpoint it looked pretty fair, mildly bias towards aw. BTW ALPA advised USAir to get another arbitrator because of his past precedence. Also with due respect to the USAir guys they were the ones who were "purchased', not the other way around. For them to blame ALPA is a bit ignorant.... When guys who have been in the industry 20 plus years are merged with young 5 year guys, sure they are going to be a little upset. What did they want, aw stapled to the bottom?
This is nothing compared to what will happen to asa/skyw if we have no representation.
10-30-2007, 09:10 PM
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>>Most people in this industry have been telling you guys forever to vote for a union and yall have fought against.<<
ToiletDuck,
I am a Captain at Southwest. I have flown with numerous FO's from SkyWest and from every ALPA regional carrier. ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, the former SkyWest guys have nothing but good things to say about their experience there. In comparison, the former ALPA regional guys can't say enough about how miserable their experience was and how glad they were to get out of there.
As a consequence to that, the SkyWest guys tend to be much more pleasant to fly with and have a better reputation with both the SWA training department and the hiring committee than their ALPA counterparts and get hired in much higher percentages.
Explain to us again where they are missing out by not being ALPA and not subsidizing the war against their very existence?
ToiletDuck,
I am a Captain at Southwest. I have flown with numerous FO's from SkyWest and from every ALPA regional carrier. ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, the former SkyWest guys have nothing but good things to say about their experience there. In comparison, the former ALPA regional guys can't say enough about how miserable their experience was and how glad they were to get out of there.
As a consequence to that, the SkyWest guys tend to be much more pleasant to fly with and have a better reputation with both the SWA training department and the hiring committee than their ALPA counterparts and get hired in much higher percentages.
Explain to us again where they are missing out by not being ALPA and not subsidizing the war against their very existence?
10-30-2007, 09:16 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
No my friend its you that does not have a clue. You keep trying to convince people that skywest is trying to fend of alpa only to just merge us and make us alpa a few months later. Common sense says you are wrong and so does managment. The only way there will be a merger is if we vote in alpa and then we will lose 1000 numbers of senority.
Ballot's in the trash.
Seriously, people need to talk to pilots at skywest who came from other Alpa carriers not the people on the OC who have never been at an alpa carrier.
Ballot's in the trash.
Seriously, people need to talk to pilots at skywest who came from other Alpa carriers not the people on the OC who have never been at an alpa carrier.
Love how when a simple line pilot pushes for representation its all alpa propaganda. Give me a break...
And yes I don’t think we will get a pure staple in the event of no pilot representation, but we will get screwed.
The rumor is a merger is in the works, I would say a year or less. Again skyw will push for no representation to keep us divided as a pilot group.
10-30-2007, 09:24 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by bla bla bla
Lol, I just talked with the mec of FedEx, Express jet, and Dal, and those who came from mesa.
Love how when a simple line pilot pushes for representation its all alpa propaganda. Give me a break...
And yes I don’t think we will get a pure staple in the event of no pilot representation, but we will get screwed.
The rumor is a merger is in the works, I would say a year or less. Again skyw will push for no representation to keep us divided as a pilot group.
Love how when a simple line pilot pushes for representation its all alpa propaganda. Give me a break...
And yes I don’t think we will get a pure staple in the event of no pilot representation, but we will get screwed.
The rumor is a merger is in the works, I would say a year or less. Again skyw will push for no representation to keep us divided as a pilot group.
There is no merger in the works and won't be unless we vote in alpa.
10-30-2007, 09:26 PM
#30
Che Guevara
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Originally Posted by Widow's Son
>>Most people in this industry have been telling you guys forever to vote for a union and yall have fought against.<<
ToiletDuck,
I am a Captain at Southwest. I have flown with numerous FO's from SkyWest and from every ALPA regional carrier. ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, the former SkyWest guys have nothing but good things to say about their experience there. In comparison, the former ALPA regional guys can't say enough about how miserable their experience was and how glad they were to get out of there.
As a consequence to that, the SkyWest guys tend to be much more pleasant to fly with and have a better reputation with both the SWA training department and the hiring committee than their ALPA counterparts and get hired in much higher percentages.
Explain to us again where they are missing out by not being ALPA and not subsidizing the war against their very existence?
ToiletDuck,
I am a Captain at Southwest. I have flown with numerous FO's from SkyWest and from every ALPA regional carrier. ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, the former SkyWest guys have nothing but good things to say about their experience there. In comparison, the former ALPA regional guys can't say enough about how miserable their experience was and how glad they were to get out of there.
As a consequence to that, the SkyWest guys tend to be much more pleasant to fly with and have a better reputation with both the SWA training department and the hiring committee than their ALPA counterparts and get hired in much higher percentages.
Explain to us again where they are missing out by not being ALPA and not subsidizing the war against their very existence?
I bet most the people at SKW that were at previous ALPA carriers are happier. They'd have to be. Who the hell would make a lateral moves from one regional to another. Also I'm calling BS on your SWA statement and even if it was true who cares. CAL hired tons of XJT guys, NWA hired tons of PNCL guys, Delta hired several Commair guys. Your argument is weak at best. I'm not saying I want to see a bunch of people lose their seniority after being loyal to company, but IF it were to happen, and that could be a huge if, I'll write you back and see how you like things then. Then I'll ask if your 2% was worth it.
People weren't running around shouting about ALPA and only ALPA. People are shouting about you guys unionizing.
You need to understand that your company's loyalty isn't to you, it's to their share holders. There is no management out there that won't step on their employees to save the company if it comes down to that. Sink or swim, they will swim every time.
