At least this teenage punk won't be gettting on at the regionals
 

Yea..not very smart!

I dunno, the throwing of things out of an airplane is very dumb, but "I thought we were about to witness a terrorist attack" Yeah because Al Queda has nothing better to do then ruin some redneck football game............ Give the kid a break was it dumb? yes, criminal no!

LOL.redneck!
Mesa will hire him.

SAAB... I thought the same thing. It's what I like to call False Outrage in this country... everyone pretending to be offended or upset or mentally damaged by something just to get their 15 minutes in the news. Terrorist attack at a high school football game? Please.

Sounds like he's ready for the Navy....

91.15 states that:

No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow ANY OBJECT to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that CREATES A HAZARD TO PERSONS OR PROPERTY.

There are provisions under 91.15 assuming reasonable precautions are taken; however throwing a pair of shoes and a football out of his aircraft during a football game where people fill the bleachers and players are on the field clearly does not fall under those provisions.

This kid violated, FAR #'s 91.13(careless and reckless), 91.15(dropping objects), 91.119(minimum safe altitudes), possibly 91.145(management of aircraft operations in the vicinity of aerial demonstrations and major sporting events). These are just the FAR Violations, what about some potential local and or state violations- disturbing the peace, reckless endangerment(btw, that would be 1 count per person at the stadium!)some could argue reckless use of a motor vehicle, just to name a few. Is this kid a Terrorist, definitely not, did he engage in criminal behavior, absolutely!

In doing what he did he clearly did not exhibit the maturity necessary to hold a pilot's certificate, additionally he placed the wellbeing of potentially several thousand people at risk. I know I'm just an old crumudgon, but this kid needs to have the book thrown at him!:mad:

I agree with SAAB. It ticks me off how when anything happens now, people think it's a terrorist attack.

High performance car
 

He should have rented one and then did a few donuts (keeping with Saab's redneck comment) on the 50 yard line. Then people would have been outraged but it wouldn't have triggered the terrorist response.

haha thats funny

didn't this same thing happen several months ago, and i believe our responses were just about the same....PS, says no-where that the kid won't make it to the regionals. In our modern times, he'll be a shoe in, as he has ACTUAL in plane experience...

Embry Riddle just offered him a full scholarship, they know a top gun like that will fit right in.:rolleyes:

Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He would be great on the flight team for the message drop at safecon :)

Wow... did you look all this up or are you just that smart? No offense but you need a hobby. Sorry one too many Sam Adams here in BUF before bed... i really mean no offense!

please that is a given. hell mesa would have even hired to two people riding along.

where'd you go out in the ruf buf for the sammy's, it's home for me. i can make some suggestions if youre interested in where to find some decent deals.

I can't believe someone would actually do 3 low passes. You are just asking to get nailed. If you are going to be completely stupid and do something like that don't do it 3 times.

I don't know about you, but I think one of the first things I checked out when I learned how to fly was "how much can I drop from airplanes and where can I do it!" Of course, I was 15, and have matured greatly since then, and would never DREAM of dropping something out of an airplane as a gag ;).

Isn't there a saying about hunters or snipers for this? Don't shoot more than once, cause they'll know where you're at? Definitely stupid to do it over and over again. But hey, great way to jump start weeding out of immature SJS kids. He'll have a fun time explaining this in his interview.

Sad to say, I know the regs. I used to be an aviation safety counselor, then I became an airline flunkie:rolleyes:

That's why he wouldn't make it in the Navy, he'd get shot down coming back on the second pass. Bet he was off target too <g> Heck, my USAF friends wouldn't pick him up either <bg>

It's kinda sad, IMO. The kid will probably never fly for an airline, most likely won't be able to fly for the military, and has cost himself a pretty rewarding career- all because of an immature stunt at age 17.

He'll have the rest of his life to regret that stupid decision.

Stetson20

My heart breaks for his stupidity. What a bad decision, lets hope he's some rich brat who has little passion for aviation.

Agreed. Nice name for it too. Come to think of it, instead of a first officer I'll be false outrage from now on.

Maybe he never wanted to be an airline pilot:eek:
I mean, some people actually fly for fun, not a career.

If I was interviewing this kid (asssuming he could make it to an interview in the future) I think I'd be willing to let this one trangression pass if there were know further infractions. We've all done stupid stuff in airplanes, albeit hopefully not of this caliber.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, chances are that this little punk will have his private revoked. Then in year or two he'll retake the knowledge test, get his 3 hours of instruction, take his practical and get his private again. After 5 or 10 years, he would have learned his lesson and will likely be able to pursue a flying career and could end up at a regional or even a major. Who knows what the aviation landscape will be like by that time? After all, even majors have hired pilots with DUI's beyond 10 years prior....maybe even closer than that. If that doesn't happen, he could have a career with some scumbag freight outfit.

Hey, now that we beat NOTRE DAME, we can be a lot choosier!

I might have to agree with you. If this was the only thing he had ever done, maybe I would be willing to let it pass in the interview. Of course as long as he proved he was extremely knowledgeable. It is true that a majority of pilots have done one or two things stupid in airplanes, some more extreme and riskier than others. As long as this person absolutely learned from this experience and has since matured and could prove it. It will be tough for him in the future, but I think possible to make it a few years down the road if he is willing to wait that long.

The difference is that, for as terrible as they are, DUI's are pretty common place, and most people that end up with them didn't blatantly set out with the intent of driving drunk.

Even with a shortage of pilots out there, I'd be surprised if this kid is able to land an airline job down the road. He's probably going to end up with one or more FELONY charges against him, not to mention a revocation, and faa actions. Not exactly what I would call "easy to explain away" in an interview- regardless of how much somebody "matures" over the years.

Look at it from an employer's standpoint- would you want to put yourself at risk (liability)? What happens if something were to ever go wrong after he's hired- the number of questions/lawsuits would be even more staggering than in today's tort happy environment.

Too bad he won't be doing either for a long while (if ever again). :eek:

Anything is possible
 

I know a guy who works for UPS right now that did a similar thing when he was high school. He went on to the Airforce. Then President Clinton signed a bill into law that allowed records to be expunged if the person could keep their nose clean for 5 years. Now my friend is an FO for UPS and hasn't looked back.;)

And there's a big difference regarding aviation related criminal records from when Clinton was in office and now in the post 9/11 environment... Good for your friend- glad that he could learn from his mistake and rise above it. Unfortunately for this kid, I don't know that such a fairy tale will exist for him.