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Mesa pilots don't get a better contract, but JO does.
Sickening. Why do people work there?
Mesa's Ornstein gets contract extension Mesa Air Group, parent of interisland airline go!, announced Tuesday that it has extended the contract of CEO Jonathan Ornstein for an additional three years and expressed confidence in his leadership. On Wednesday, Mesa stock fell 7 percent, hitting a new 52-week low of $3.35, a day after the stock fell 8 percent. The board of directors also amended the contracts of Michael Lotz, its president and chief operating officer, and Brian Gillman, its executive vice president and general counsel. Lotz and Gillman also have agreed to an additional three years and Gillman received an increase in his base salary. The company said Ornstein and Lotz did not receive raises. "The board of directors strongly believes that, given the challenges the company faces today, it was important to demonstrate our support of management and to ensure the continuing services of Jonathan, Mike and Brian," said Dan Altobello, lead director of Mesa's board of directors. Those challenges include a ruling in October by a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge in Hawaii that found Mesa (Nasdaq: MESA) had violated a confidentiality agreement by using information it gathered during Hawaiian Airlines' bankruptcy to start up the competitor service called go!. Mesa was ordered to pay $80 million for misusing the data, but said it will challenge the ruling. Meanwhile, on Monday, Judge Robert Faris ordered Mesa to post a $90 million bond by Wednesday. http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/s...9/daily24.html Obviously a big financial jircle cerk going on at the top over there, while most pilots are junior assigned down to 8 days off a month. Nice. People really need to understand why that place is such a sh!tty company to work for. |
I am sure people will continue to go there. They haven't shut it down yet. Any other airlines that have Mesa guys in class? I know we get a lot at SkyWest.
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RAH has a ton.
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Originally Posted by AbZorbFly
(Post 267658)
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Him and Prater should do a live cage match, televised in every ALPA crew room nation wide.
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I'd like to know if ALPA NATIONAL is doing anything to help the Mesa pilots right now as management isn't releasing the negotiating pilots from the line as far as I know... anyone with some intel?
As far as I am concerned Mesa negotiations should be a top priority for the Air Line Pilot's Association right now. |
Originally Posted by N2rotation
(Post 267796)
I'd like to know if ALPA NATIONAL is doing anything to help the Mesa pilots right now as management isn't releasing the negotiating pilots from the line as far as I know... anyone with some intel?
As far as I am concerned Mesa negotiations should be a top priority for the Air Line Pilot's Association right now. |
we are burning this place down...
ever since the vacation cancellations, I know we are doing all we can to ground the planes in every outstation possible...
this is the only company i know of where we cheer with joy when our stock price continues to fall... |
Originally Posted by tyrael37
(Post 267670)
That's one crazy C.V.! How did he ever get the position that he has now? I guess that it might be one of the many criteria to be part of an airline's management team eh?
Originally Posted by Joeshmoe
(Post 267816)
You are correct sir. Not releasing the negotiating pilots from the line. Oh and JA's are now being placed on the releases for the captain to inform his/her crew about. TOTAL contract violation amoungst the myriad of others.
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Enjoy...
------------- From: http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/St...58&tof=8&frt=2 FORBES Magazine 1999 http://www.mywire.com/pubs/Forbes/1999/0... FORBES called Jonathan Ornstein "essentially a liar" In 1978 Ornstein dropped out of the University of Pennsylvania... http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztravel/... PHOENIX — When Jonathan Ornstein was blackballed by a University of Pennsylvania fraternity in the mid-'70s — because he's Jewish, he says — he found a way to go where he'd been told he did not belong. "A friend (George Peter Murnane III) who was a member stood up for me. He couldn't get me into the fraternity," Ornstein says with a devilish wink. "But I went to a lot of their parties as his sister's date." "They couldn't keep me out," he says, laughing. at age 21, became E.F. Hutton's youngest-ever broker. But over nine years he bounced around five firms, getting fired from several. Why? A lengthy disciplinary record--the official printout is 21 feet long--charging unauthorized trading, misrepresentation, document alteration and churning. Eventually, Ornstein was fined $20,000 and suspended as a broker for three years. A published Securities & Exchange Commission opinion essentially called him a liar. http://www.planebuzz.com/2007/09/mesas_o... In the Hawaiian vs Mesa trial, after Jonathan took the stand, I thought Hawaiian attorneys were right in making the point that there were potential Sarbanes-Oxley issues involving a recent Mesa press release. I had thought the same thing. According to the notes we received, this was the recent press release, "in which, while stating that Mesa maintains the "highest ethical standards," Mesa fails to disclose to shareholders that Mesa's CFO –the person responsible for public shareholder reports – was facing allegations of destruction of evidence that he was federally-mandated to preserve. J.O. admitted that he had reviewed and approved this press release. J.O. got flustered here and blurted out that they had no responsibility to issue any information at all under NASDAQ rules. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/articl... Hawaiian Chief Executive Officer Mark Dunkerley said that "To put an employee — indeed a friend of the CEO for 30-odd years — to hang him out to dry, to push him under the bus, with this absolutely flimsy and transparent argument about pornography is unbelievable," Dunkerley said. FIVE WEEKS AFTER ALL OF THIS MURNANE WAS PHOTOGRAPHED IN CHINA STILL DOING MESA BUSINESS... AT JONATHAN ORNSTEIN'S RIGHT HAND SIDE. http://mesalies.blogspot.com/2007/11/mes... ---- Way to throw your bud under the bus... |
Why don't you Mesa guys do yourself a favor and quit? You all know that place sucks. You will be happier in the long run if you go somewhere else. Besides, you will have to do that anyway when that ship sinks soon. Might as well go do it now.
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 267962)
Why don't you Mesa guys do yourself a favor and quit? You all know that place sucks. You will be happier in the long run if you go somewhere else. Besides, you will have to do that anyway when that ship sinks soon. Might as well go do it now.
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I did. They displaced me into the 145. They put me through all the sim training with checkride, LOFT and IOE. I quit right after LOFT. My little way of sticking it to the man.
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Wouldn't it be great if a new hire B1900 FO, at MAG, knocked up JO's wife and daughter. LOL! :eek:
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 268105)
Wouldn't it be great if a new hire B1900 FO, at MAG, knocked up JO's wife and daughter. LOL! :eek:
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 268105)
Wouldn't it be great if a new hire B1900 FO, at MAG, knocked up JO's wife and daughter. LOL! :eek:
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Originally Posted by Joeshmoe
(Post 268108)
Assuming those two would DARE step out of their little mega-rich country club Paris Hilton parties circle of yentas to actually lower themselves to even talk to a pilot. Oh the horror! They'll DEFINITELY need to immediately jump into their Peninsula Club shower to wash off the funk.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 268201)
That's why it would be priceless!
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 267962)
Why don't you Mesa guys do yourself a favor and quit? You all know that place sucks. You will be happier in the long run if you go somewhere else. Besides, you will have to do that anyway when that ship sinks soon. Might as well go do it now.
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I'm kind of sick and tired of seeing Mesa/Freedom pilots walking around the airports with a look of desperation and helplessness. Why aren't you guys doing something? Are you all actually involved in getting something better than a junior assignment MEL airline with 8 days off a month? Let's hear some good news out here. Until we hear anything, your crap contract and apathy is disgusting the airline pilot profession.
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Originally Posted by N2rotation
(Post 268727)
I'm kind of sick and tired of seeing Mesa/Freedom pilots walking around the airports with a look of desperation and helplessness. Why aren't you guys doing something? Are you all actually involved in getting something better than a junior assignment MEL airline with 8 days off a month? Let's hear some good news out here. Until we hear anything, your crap contract and apathy is disgusting the airline pilot profession.
I mean this with all respect N2- but that viewpoint is unrealistic. Let me explain with the following... We have gone through how many MEC Chairs in the last 3 years? And the latest is about to retire. The attrition is SOOOOO high that anyone with any experience in the union is moving on. So, suffice it to say that the union is in a bit of disarray. Next, add on top of that a management team that will do N-E-THING (ANYTHING) it wants, and flies in the face of any authoritative body. Recent examples: 1. Harris Award... this little gem has been thrown right back in our faces time and again. When we were judged in favor of, the company STILL violated it and does so to this day. [Oh, and after the courts ruled against Murnane for erasing all the computer data, after the company issued a statement that Murnane was on administrative leave and a bunch of dross about high ethical standards, he turned up at JO's side in China for the new Shinzen Airline unveiling (read about it here, about 1/2 down the page: http://mesalies.blogspot.com/). How's that for flying in the face of authority?] 2. Scope Clause... there were some more violations of this just recently. The management team does not seem to understand that those seats up front belong to US... not Bombardier contract pilots. 3. Status Quo... according to the RLA, when a contract becomes amendable, NO changes are allowed to be made by the company or pilot group. So, why is it that no less than 2 memos, 1 a chief pilot memo and 1 a company "bonus program" (wolf in sheep's clothing bonus) have been issued in the last couple of months significantly changing our work-rules and compensation methodology? Add to this mess 2 lawsuits (one of which has been won to the tune of 80-90 million), our planes being outsourced to China, attrition wildly OUT OF CONTROL, pilots timing out like the burnt-apple-pie grandma forgot about in the oven... heck, do I need to say more? Yea, I am apathetic. How could I survive otherwise??? To actually have FEELINGS about any of this stuff, to actually believe that a favorable contract is forthcoming would ABSOLUTELY BLOW MY MIND. Heck, my mind is already blown and I am still picking up the smoking pieces. Oh, and if we strike, that's a fine for ALPA and probably jail time for the union leaders. Look, I will die a bitter and friendless pessimist etc etc... OK, now that we have that out of the way... everyone STOP for a moment. Just STOP, and copy this transmission (let me clear my throat): *ahem* We MAG pilots will NEVER, EVER get a better contract. NEVER. Unless you have a solution for the enumerated items above, apathy *on*, desperation *on* and, "ERJ Driver over and out." :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by N2rotation
(Post 268727)
I'm kind of sick and tired of seeing Mesa/Freedom pilots walking around the airports with a look of desperation and helplessness. Why aren't you guys doing something? Are you all actually involved in getting something better than a junior assignment MEL airline with 8 days off a month? Let's hear some good news out here. Until we hear anything, your crap contract and apathy is disgusting the airline pilot profession.
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Originally Posted by ERJ Driver
(Post 269384)
What we have here is a failure... to communicate (Cool Hand Luke).
I mean this with all respect N2- but that viewpoint is unrealistic. Let me explain with the following... We have gone through how many MEC Chairs in the last 3 years? And the latest is about to retire. The attrition is SOOOOO high that anyone with any experience in the union is moving on. So, suffice it to say that the union is in a bit of disarray. Next, add on top of that a management team that will do N-E-THING (ANYTHING) it wants, and flies in the face of any authoritative body. Recent examples: 1. Harris Award... this little gem has been thrown right back in our faces time and again. When we were judged in favor of, the company STILL violated it and does so to this day. [Oh, and after the courts ruled against Murnane for erasing all the computer data, after the company issued a statement that Murnane was on administrative leave and a bunch of dross about high ethical standards, he turned up at JO's side in China for the new Shinzen Airline unveiling (read about it here, about 1/2 down the page: http://mesalies.blogspot.com/). How's that for flying in the face of authority?] 2. Scope Clause... there were some more violations of this just recently. The management team does not seem to understand that those seats up front belong to US... not Bombardier contract pilots. 3. Status Quo... according to the RLA, when a contract becomes amendable, NO changes are allowed to be made by the company or pilot group. So, why is it that no less than 2 memos, 1 a chief pilot memo and 1 a company "bonus program" (wolf in sheep's clothing bonus) have been issued in the last couple of months significantly changing our work-rules and compensation methodology? Add to this mess 2 lawsuits (one of which has been won to the tune of 80-90 million), our planes being outsourced to China, attrition wildly OUT OF CONTROL, pilots timing out like the burnt-apple-pie grandma forgot about in the oven... heck, do I need to say more? Yea, I am apathetic. How could I survive otherwise??? To actually have FEELINGS about any of this stuff, to actually believe that a favorable contract is forthcoming would ABSOLUTELY BLOW MY MIND. Heck, my mind is already blown and I am still picking up the smoking pieces. Oh, and if we strike, that's a fine for ALPA and probably jail time for the union leaders. Look, I will die a bitter and friendless pessimist etc etc... OK, now that we have that out of the way... everyone STOP for a moment. Just STOP, and copy this transmission (let me clear my throat): *ahem* We MAG pilots will NEVER, EVER get a better contract. NEVER. Unless you have a solution for the enumerated items above, apathy *on*, desperation *on* and, "ERJ Driver over and out." :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 269387)
ERJ, it is obvious from your rant that Mesa is definately not a place you (or anyone else for that matter) need to be. You need to just get a job somewhere else. I am sure your credentials could easily get you a good job, and at the very least, you could go to another regional. Starting over as far as being on reserve and all that is nothing compared to what you are going through. Go somewhere else, take the pay cut for a while, suck it up, and be far better off in the long run.
Oh, and try having a life at a regional like Mesa... it ain't possible. So yes, I admit I have no life. :rolleyes: edit: Guess I should tone it down huh? It's just frustrating (ain't so apathetic after all) to work at this airline. So many problems. |
Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 269386)
Looking through your post history it's more than 50% Mesa *****ing. You may need to get a life. In lieu of that, I suppose you'll be out there picketing when the time comes, right? Or will you just continue to **** and moan?
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Originally Posted by ERJ Driver
(Post 269384)
3. Status Quo... according to the RLA, when a contract becomes amendable, NO changes are allowed to be made by the company or pilot group. So, why is it that no less than 2 memos, 1 a chief pilot memo and 1 a company "bonus program" (wolf in sheep's clothing bonus) have been issued in the last couple of months significantly changing our work-rules and compensation methodology? *ahem* We MAG pilots will NEVER, EVER get a better contract. NEVER. Every other ALPA pilot out there would love a blast mail or two to hear if ANY progress is being made. Until then, Mesa pilots are apathetic in improving their lives in my mind. |
Originally Posted by ERJ Driver
(Post 269390)
I'm trying! I'm trying! *****ing, ranting and moaning aside... I'm trying! I just don't want to make a "step back"- to go from a CA slot to an FO slot at a regional. This is not career progression, let alone the temporary pay cut. Still, I suppose I am just about ready to apply to another regional. BTW... I tried the Compass deal... didn't get it. Them's the breaks for me.
Oh, and try having a life at a regional like Mesa... it ain't possible. So yes, I admit I have no life. :rolleyes: edit: Guess I should tone it down huh? It's just frustrating (ain't so apathetic after all) to work at this airline. So many problems. |
ERJ Driver,
The only advice I have... is keep looking forward and be careful that you don't pick up a bitter pill. This will show up during an interview. I have seen it and it is a show stopper. Infoman. |
Originally Posted by texaspilot76
(Post 269449)
How much PIC do you have? Have you tried Continental, Delta, Southwest? If no luck there, there a some regionals hiring street captains, such as Mesaba and Big Sky.
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I see no consequences due to leaving Mesa.
I will be pro-union when I see results. Especially if they can get the TSA off our back. |
Originally Posted by Infoman
(Post 269505)
ERJ Driver,
The only advice I have... is keep looking forward and be careful that you don't pick up a bitter pill. This will show up during an interview. I have seen it and it is a show stopper. Infoman. N2- There has been much grumbling within MAG ALPA, but no movement and no public communication. NOW is the time to picket and be vocal. Alas, no. They just will not do it. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. Edit I actually talked to a friend today about Skywest... sounds interesting. |
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