Actually Exec. is owned by AMR and all pilots who fly for AE including Exec. are on the same seniority list. I'm not sure why AMR chose to keep Exec. a unique business, but it may have to do with the uniqueness of operating internationally out of PR and the certificates needed.

AMR to sell Eagle
 

That's exactly why AMR kept Executive on a different certificate, the extensive flying

Man...I practically predicted this with this post 2 days ago in another forum on here:

This is just an opinion--but seriously, look at some the mainline-owned regional carriers--PSA, Horizon, Piedmont, Comair, AE...they all have relatively long upgrades and thus high labor costs. In this day and age of low-time cheap labor and a general trend of outsourcing, those carriers are probably a lot more prone to getting packaged and sold than "mercenary" carriers who have the flexibility to fly for whoever they get contracts with. Eventually a point comes where the higher labor cost margin of running connection flights with 7/5 yr Capt & FO outweighs paying another co. to do that same connection flying with 2 yr Capt/1 yr FO.

In this day and age, I would imagine the mngmt at AA and Delta would want to outsource as much of the risk and price competition of the domestic markets to regional carriers, and focus their mainline operations on lucrative biz travel routes and transcons. I'm not saying that's a good thing for pilots, just saying that a mainline-owned regional doesn't offer the stability it once did.

Now, if any of the above mentioned carriers had flowthroughs that amounted to anything but carrot-waving to get pilots, those companies would be worth the 7 year wait.

come on guys, you could'nt see this coming? Same deal with CAL and XJT...........

fund pensions.................

Thanks for the correction and the assumption of there being a business advantage of keeping it a entity makes sense.

I have a class date with Eagle.....will it still be on? I'm confused

I think you are right. In fact, they would get not only reduced rate feed, but even cheaper feed, because the new entity would not have AEs current high costs--they would reduced to the lowest denominator along with the rest of the regional rabble.

Arpey's comments, and particularly the procedure of the independent audits, is a clear signal of the intent to undertake and IPO.

Haha...it sounded like you said airlines fund their pensions:D

I hear Gojets is going to buy Eagle.:eek::eek::eek: Whats going to happen with that?

i would be shocked if anyone could would by eagle. who would want the most expensive regional airline out there. The only bennifit would be the executive side. the certificate itself is worth almost a billion dollars from what i heard in training. that rumor of branson buying executive and turning it into virgin carribean might just be true now!

The certificate is worth a billion dollars?? You mean $1,000,000,000?

AMR talked about selling Executive and keeping Eagle prior to this. Let's face it, between AA and Eagle, AMR owns the Caribbean. Supposedly when they were shopping Executive, they didn't like the buyer (rumor was Delta). If another domestic carrier buys Executive, they will be the dominant carrier to the islands.

Yes. Nothing will change.

"All your AMR flying are belong to us" -RAH

Yeah, except we fly the hunk of junk 140s and have already made it clear we have no interest in pursuing our contract beyond the current term.

Negative. They can sell Executive and still sign a long term Eagle contract with them. Just like XJT and PNCL. BTW, AMR did include Executive in their Eagle spin-off press release.

the executive certificate is actually worth more than the eagle certificate because it allows the operator to fly in the entire western hemisphere which makes it quite valuable. In the past the certificate was used as a barganing chip against apa on some scope and other issues.

When and where? I'd like to see anything backing this up. Why are the 140's hunks of junk? Most people that fly them with the Univerals and the sunshades in the cockpit seem to prefer them over the 145s.

Scanned and missed the Exec part.

If they sign a long term deal with AA, nothing changes and they'd still be hamstrung by scope. I don't see any buyers except AMR shareholders. What a waste that would be.

They're underpowered and overweight.

There is supposed to be "big" news at SkyWest in the future. Here is a possibility...

SkyWest signs a deal with American to do regional flying. Before Brad Holt went over to ASA, he sent out a letter showing how many upgrades and new hires for the next six months. The letter expected 60 new-hires a month. The thing that got my attention in the letter was that he said he feels there will be good opportunities for growth. That leads me to believe that he just put a number out there and we will need more pilots than what he is putting on paper.

SAPA says our President, Chipper Childs, wants to have a new payscale in place by Janaury 1st. My guess is so they can have an idea on pilot costs when they bid for whatever regional flying is left out there. The best rumor has been flying for Southwest. But what if Southwest is actually American?

Where are there any statements that support that our company "have already made it clear we have no interest in pursuing our contract beyond the current term."? Any proof at all would be nice.

Duck, I finally just read your tag line, and yes I am a little bit slow! Made me laugh! Feel like whistling tomorrow when I pack because I know i'm looking forward to leaving the 25 degree wx in the midwest for some nice warmer flying out in California for the next week! However, I never look forward to leaving my family! As for the second part, my wife reminds me of that all the time.

:D Yea I was flying with a captain and he's married and told me if I ever wanted
to have a long lasting relationship as a pilot there were two rules to live by.

1. Never whistle while packing
2. Always come home h**ny lol.

It doesn't really mean anything for RAH. Our AA planes have nothing to do with Eagle. Also, the flying we do under the AA banner is carry-over from TWA. When AA bought/merged with TWA, we kept doing the same flying for AA as we had been for TWA only with a different paint scheme. Hence the reason every single one of our AA planes is STL based. Naturally, since we kept the contract and started flying with the name "American" on the side, Eagle believes we stole their flying. Figure that one out. :rolleyes:

TD - while it's never been "officially" said, it's a common belief that the AA flying will go away once the contract is up. Mostly based on BB's numerous comments regarding his feelings on 50 seat (or less) flying.

ive been following eagle recentley......i have an interview on december 18th and have many friends working there now......Eagle is a large airline and has plenty of $$$$....i have heard many times before that eagle managment is trying to pull somthing simialar to what Xjet did......i think the buyer of eagle will be eagle.....im thinking an IPO is on the horizon for shure.....im very excited about this actually.....a change in management at eagle will yeild a diffent outlook for the company....AKA the company will finially start flowing....upgrades will be somthing tangable and not a pie in the sky hopefully!! cant wait to see what happens!!!

BB can have all the feelings he wants and common belief here doesn't seem to hold much water. Unlike Delta and and US Airways we can't toss 170/175s on the flying. AA flying is making money. There are provisions in place that make it beneficial for AA to keep their flying with us once the current contract is over with. At no point has the company stated anything about us dropping the flying and word of mouth doesn't mean anything here. If it did then CLE would already be a base and CMH would have already been closed down along with GSO and possibly few others. My beliefs of BB's statements involve Delta and US where we had the option to do something else. Unless we have one massive staffing issue and a few 170/175s parked on the ramps it doesn't seem logical. At no point has anyone made it "clear that we are not interested in pursuing our contract beyond the current term". I'm going to toss that statement in the pile along with us supposedly trying to pick up 190s, wanting to get ETOPS rated 170/175s, and how upgrades were expected to be around 3yrs at this point in time.

At least one analyst is calling any potential sale a bust and I tend to agree. Eagle will remain their own deal because in the end, no one wants to buy old jets, really old t-props, and a ****ed off pilot group.

the 140's aren't crap. i much prefer them to the 145's. they're not underpowered, i was doing 3000 fpm yesterday out of MSP nearly full. the sunshades and FMS makes it tons better than the 145. I rarely have a broken plane on the AA side. The 145's are always broke. While they are overweight with 44 adults and 60 bags, that not an airplane issue, that's a weight and balance number issue.

I tend to think there is also a chance for cal.

hey whatever happens eagle is still a stand up group and has always been a respectable place to work. Good luck fellas.... management whipsawing us against each other is never a good thing. Now it looks inevitable eagle will be in the mix too.

The sunshades and Universals could just as easily be installed in the 145 as the 140, so I don't consider those an "airplane" plus - more of an "American Connection" plus.
I think I should clarify that although I don't miss the 140, I do miss the American flying in STL. It is, without a doubt, the best flying we have in the system. Easy flying, good outstations, and quite a few high-time trips on the Connection side are some of the big reasons I'm giving serious consideration to doing the IND-STL commute. However, I definitely would rather fly the 135 or 145 than the 140.

I'm quite clear on the reasonings that TSA and CHQ do flying for American. My question wasn't "why are they doing that". Rather, I'm wondering about the implications of Eagle and AA no longer being a single entity (which you can at least say they are for contract negotiations). Before when the old grandfathered TWA contracts were up, I'm not sure how much of a chance those two airlines stood of continuing that flying, due to Eagle already throwing a fit about AA "cheating" on them.

Regardless of whether or not you like the 140 or think that an executive has made veiled statements against the contract, things in the business world are not quite simple. You can't throw away a certain amount of flying because you don't like the airplane, especially when it's paying the bills. And while it's certainly possible that RAH or TSA could move airplanes around, it would at the very least have a huge impact on operations. Look at XJET, they were able to move things around, but their future, while not in dire peril, is admittedly unsure. That's not a dig against XJET, it's a simple fact that while their future has promise, many things could happen that could jeopardize their financial security.

So now that Eagle stands to be a separate entity, is the likelihood that these contracts can at least be renewed if the companies want?



Oh, and Koolaidman mentioned Southwest using SKW for regional flying. Not a chance in hell. SWA may like you guys because of your similar company culture, but if you think that SWA is going to start regional flying under a different banner and using a non-SWA workforce, you're kidding yourself, sorry.

If RAH wanted to renew the contract, I have pretty good idea that it would probably happen without a problem. That's IF they want to renew. I don't know whether they do or not, but my opinion would be "No" and have the 140's be sold off just like the 135's are (those planes are "paying the bills" and they're outta here). However, our operation for American is stable and runs well. You never here any complaints from that side of the house.

Oh, and to the guys talking up this SKW/SWA regional crap...SWA's scope prevents any "regional" flying to be done by people other than SWA pilots. So unless every SKW pilot is hopping over to the SWA seniority list...you're all jerking yourselves around.

The 145s are not always broke. Maybe you will see one MEL on a plane once in a while, but not always. These planes are kept in great shape.

44 adults and 60 bags, please, we do that all the time with 50 people an 60 bags. You are giving misinformation.

44 peeps and 60 bags ain't happenin' on the 140. You can do it on the 145...because you have an extra 2,000 lbs to play with. How do you fit 50 people on a plane that only holds 44 though...?

4 people in the lav and 2 in the closet.

I believe that is perfectly legal in Pakistan.

HAHAHA.....