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POPA 12-05-2007 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 273840)
"Do YOU know Bruce Barker? Cuz I know Bruce Barker."

Mr M.A. (from your class, who now flies for S5) told me on our company board, "In your case, that wouldn't be a lie."

POPA 12-05-2007 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by mccube5 (Post 273077)
its really as simple as not answering the phone.

100% not true.
Scheduling has lots of nasty tricks for getting ahold of you, including: a note on the release, a scheduler to meet your airplane at the gate, and "forgetting" to reserve you a hotel room.

Bloodhound 12-05-2007 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 273854)
100% not true.
Scheduling has lots of nasty tricks for getting ahold of you, including: a note on the release, a scheduler to meet your airplane at the gate, and "forgetting" to reserve you a hotel room.


It might be different at other places, but that is not Junior Manning at XJT - that's a reassignment. As far as I know, reassignments have little to do with seniority and more to do with who's available. Junior Manning is calling you on your day off and it is as simple as not answering your phone or making up a ludicrous story of debauchery.

BoilerUP 12-05-2007 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 273854)
100% not true.
Scheduling has lots of nasty tricks for getting ahold of you, including: a note on the release, a scheduler to meet your airplane at the gate, and "forgetting" to reserve you a hotel room.

You of all people should know or be able to devise ways to mitigate their attempts! :D

My favorite JM story is the Mesa captain in IAD that changed into civilian clothes in the cockpit before exiting...walking anonymously right past the Crew Tracker who was waiting to JM him. A close runner-up story is the Mesa Crew Tracker that got arrested by airport police (who were notified of a "suspicious person on the ramp" by a flight crew) for being in a secure area without a SIDA badge.

True or not? I don't know...but funny nonetheless!

POPA 12-05-2007 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Bloodhound (Post 273856)
It might be different at other places, but that is not Junior Manning at XJT - that's a reassignment. As far as I know, reassignments have little to do with seniority and more to do with who's available. Junior Manning is calling you on your day off and it is as simple as not answering your phone or making up a ludicrous story of debauchery.

If you get back to base at the end of a trip and have to go back out for another overnight because your release said, "CA call scheduling," that's not a reassignment. That's being juniored. Here at RAH (where we don't have JMing), if we're reassigned we have to be back in base within two hours of original scheduled release. At TSA (when I was there, at least), they're more than happy to turn your three-day trip into a four- or five-day.

Bloodhound 12-05-2007 07:59 AM

I've got a buddy who was a CA at XJT who was asleep and mistakenly answered the phone once. It was Scheduling and they said, "CA Smith?" He replied with a "yes." "This is Crew Sheduling and we are Junior Manning for a flight at xx:xx." He quickly escaped by saying, "Oh. You must be looking for son. He's one of your captains but he's not here. I'm a CA with USAir." Which was true, his dad was a USA CA.

POPA 12-05-2007 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 273857)
You of all people should know or be able to devise ways to mitigate their attempts! :D

My favorite JM story is the Mesa captain in IAD that changed into civilian clothes in the cockpit before exiting...walking anonymously right past the Crew Tracker who was waiting to JM him. A close runner-up story is the Mesa Crew Tracker that got arrested by airport police (who were notified of a "suspicious person on the ramp" by a flight crew) for being in a secure area without a SIDA badge.

True or not? I don't know...but funny nonetheless!

I got juniored once. After that, it was all about outsmarting them - especially the witch in Futures (you TSAers know who I'm talking about).
I've heard of the first story before. I've also heard of pilot who hopped out of the galley door and walked into the terminal through ops. My favorite is waiting on the plane for 15 minutes after blocking in, and then buying a mini-Jack from the FA.

Bloodhound 12-05-2007 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 273862)
If you get back to base at the end of a trip and have to go back out for another overnight because your release said, "CA call scheduling," that's not a reassignment. That's being juniored. Here at RAH (where we don't have JMing), if we're reassigned we have to be back in base within two hours of original scheduled release. At TSA (when I was there, at least), they're more than happy to turn your three-day trip into a four- or five-day.

OK, at XJT that would not be a JM situation. That would be a reassignment AND getting your day off rolled. We're entitled to 150% pay for the reassigment or the day off restored. But if it's a reassignment that ends the same day, you get 150% pay. We can get a reassignment from ACARS, Ops, a Crew Tracker at the gate, and a couple others ways but not from a note on the release. The way I understand it (after 8 years here) is that Junior Manning is strictly getting called on your days off.

Timmay 12-05-2007 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 273864)
I got juniored once. After that, it was all about outsmarting them - especially the witch in Futures (you TSAers know who I'm talking about).
I've heard of the first story before. I've also heard of pilot who hopped out of the galley door and walked into the terminal through ops. My favorite is waiting on the plane for 15 minutes after blocking in, and then buying a mini-Jack from the FA.

That is absolutely hilarious. :D

mccube5 12-05-2007 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 273854)
100% not true.
Scheduling has lots of nasty tricks for getting ahold of you, including: a note on the release, a scheduler to meet your airplane at the gate, and "forgetting" to reserve you a hotel room.


Originally Posted by Bloodhound (Post 273856)
Junior Manning is calling you on your day off and it is as simple as not answering your phone or making up a ludicrous story of debauchery.

im going to agree with bloodhound on this one, and in that case its 100% true that if i dont answer my phone they arent getting me, that simple!


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