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HercDriver130 12-25-2007 04:08 AM

laughing at viking.......if you think they will give up their major feeder routes served by "jet carrier affiliates".... think again. Everybody thought small jets would be the demise of the smaller carriers......wrong again.... scopes will change yet again..... because one thing Viking is correct about is that the major /legacy carriers wont to focus on the long haul routes and international routes they still must have the feed.... and Delta and United etc... are NOT going to be feed by JET BLUE etc.... scopes will eek up yet again. As for the reduction in flying, certainly they will cut out the feeds which arent not profitable..... that hasnt changed in 30 years. airlines have always moved capacity around even in the small markets since the advent of the feeder carriers.

cbire880 12-25-2007 06:28 AM

I'm still betting that in 10-15 years we will see what we call "majors" flying primarily international and transcon operations. They will outsource most if not all of their domestic feed to "jet carrier affiliates." Whether they do it as direct feed with the same colors on the tail or as a "codeshare" to get around scope, its going to happen. The domestic market is not profitable at the cost structure legacy carries operate in the long term. Of course, I also think SWA is going to be in big trouble in 10-15 as well.

Joeshmoe 12-25-2007 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 286542)
I'm still betting that in 10-15 years we will see what we call "majors" flying primarily international and transcon operations. They will outsource most if not all of their domestic feed to "jet carrier affiliates." Whether they do it as direct feed with the same colors on the tail or as a "codeshare" to get around scope, its going to happen. The domestic market is not profitable at the cost structure legacy carries operate in the long term. Of course, I also think SWA is going to be in big trouble in 10-15 as well.

Exactly! Mainline is aggressively trying to limit their own exposure to domestic flying and concentrate on the big $$$ oceanic travelers. Believe it or not its not the average economy passenger that make the money for the majors, its the business and first class folks. Its THIS market that they are aggessively going after.

ExperimentalAB 12-25-2007 07:13 AM

Further evidenced by the fact that very few Major carriers are ordering short to medium-haul aircraft...for a not-so-gracefully aging national fleet.

HercDriver130 12-25-2007 06:50 PM

and why they are contracting more and more of their domestic flying to JET AFFILIATES.

SharkAir 12-25-2007 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 286251)
I don't know how the MCI rumor would help the original poster who lives in MCO...but fair enough.

Well when I brought it up, I meant MCO. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. And I proofread to boot!

SharkyBN584 12-25-2007 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by SharkAir (Post 286806)
Well when I brought it up, I meant MCO. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. And I proofread to boot!

Thanks for proving me right...I appreciate it.

Jetjock65 12-26-2007 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by Flex81 (Post 286490)
my question is: what are you flying in the corporate world? If you are on a turbine powered aircraft and flying a decent amount, then stay where you are. You could skip the regionals and go straight to a major. Or...Have you ever thought about fractionals. A choice between SkyWest, Chautauqua, or NetJets is a no brainer.


Corprate Flying Sucks!! Fractionals I hear are somewhat better but a 2 man Flight dept. like I am in now blows. Im flying a Sabreliner 65 so the airplane is OK but just fed up with working with the same old fart that thinks hes the Sabre God-He has 10,000 hrs in a sabreliner and couldnt shoot a raw data app. at flight safety ,:mad:pitiful:mad: if you ask me, yet hes the one thats supposedly in charge.Im a single guy so the familly thing is really not a big deal-Would like to still live in FL thoe but probally not gonna work out that way.

Really appreciate everyones help!

CAPIP1998 12-26-2007 12:37 AM

JetJock, have you checked out Spirit? They seem to be hiring fairly aggressively right now, and with lower mins than you might think (2000TT / 250ME). That's just what they publish, but with your jet time your probably failry appealing to them, especially if you've done a lot of international ops. If nothing else, they're worth the look and you can stay in south FL.

Jetjock65 12-26-2007 12:50 AM


Originally Posted by CAPIP1998 (Post 286843)
JetJock, have you checked out Spirit? They seem to be hiring fairly aggressively right now, and with lower mins than you might think (2000TT / 250ME). That's just what they publish, but with your jet time your probably failry appealing to them, especially if you've done a lot of international ops. If nothing else, they're worth the look and you can stay in south FL.

Yea have done probally 50% of my flying back and forth from the states to central america-thanks for the heads up on that one


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