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chrisd450 01-01-2008 01:13 PM

Retirement and Fleet Expansion
 
with all the retirements and growth expected, why dont US airlines take canadian pilots?

rickair7777 01-01-2008 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by chrisd450 (Post 290795)
with all the retirements and growth expected, why dont US airlines take canadian pilots?

??? They do "take" canadian pilots, I've flown with many.

Unfortunately for US pilots, anyone from any nation may work as an professional pilot in the US. This has been the case even when pilot jobs were very hard to find. As with any foreigner seeking to hold any job in the US, a green card (resident work permit) is required.

The flight training and airline industry have managed to BS congress into believing that there is a serious pilot shortage in the US, so it's also possible to get an H1B visa. This is a visa which is sponsored by your employer, and limits your rights to change jobs. The employer would have to be willing to sponsor you.

The reality in most european countries is far different...a US pilot trying to get a job at BA or Lufthansa would be laughed out the country. In fact, I think it's quite difficult, or impossible, for US pilots to get a job with canadian airlines. But the US government is much more generous with OUR jobs.

HercDriver130 01-01-2008 02:04 PM

Exactly...... well said Rick. Personally I think fair is fair. If you want to fly for a US flagged carrier.... get citizenship.

chrisd450 01-01-2008 03:02 PM

i did my training in florida
i dont have a green card or citizenship
so i have no way of having a chance at employment?

Xray678 01-01-2008 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by chrisd450 (Post 290839)
i did my training in florida
i dont have a green card or citizenship
so i have no way of having a chance at employment?

I'm sure you have a good chance of a job in your country.

Joachim 01-01-2008 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 290842)
Exactly...... well said Rick. Personally I think fair is fair. If you want to fly for a US flagged carrier.... get citizenship.

Wow! Lets remember what America is all about. It ****es me off to read Dumb @#ss comments like this. Most pilots that come to America aren't here for the jobs. Jobs outside the states are usually better.

rickair7777 01-01-2008 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by chrisd450 (Post 290839)
i did my training in florida
i dont have a green card or citizenship
so i have no way of having a chance at employment?

You will need a greencard or a special work visa. I don't know the process, but they can't be that hard for canadian pilots to get.

SharkAir 01-01-2008 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 290851)
Wow! Lets remember what America is all about. It ****es me off to read Dumb @#ss comments like this. Most pilots that come to America aren't here for the jobs. Jobs outside the states are usually better.

Oh yeah? So what is America all about?

ExperimentalAB 01-01-2008 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by SharkAir (Post 290926)
Oh yeah? So what is America all about?

It's about Political-correctness, regulation, litigation, and the illusion of freedom!

HPilot 01-01-2008 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 290851)
Wow! Lets remember what America is all about. It ****es me off to read Dumb @#ss comments like this. Most pilots that come to America aren't here for the jobs. Jobs outside the states are usually better.

So it's fair that I can't fly for Air Canada, but a Canadian can come down and fly for my airline? America must be about bending over and taking one in the rear, because it sure seems like we do it a lot.

HercDriver130 01-01-2008 08:38 PM

Joachim.... yea well people like you tick me off as well. Take your PCness and shove it.

HercDriver130 01-01-2008 08:46 PM

Trying going to AUS and getting a flying job... or NZ...... crazy.

LITTLEa905 01-02-2008 08:58 AM

Ok...

All the politically correctiveness aside... I'm a Canadian and I work for a US airline. It is possible... but obviously you have to go through all the legal avenues which is tough (and it should be). On the flip-side, Canadian carriers hire Americans and other citizens as well, who also have to go through all the legal avenues for work permits, etc. (also not easy). I cannot comment on other countries because I have no first-hand experience.

dojetdriver 01-02-2008 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 290851)
Wow! Lets remember what America is all about. It ****es me off to read Dumb @#ss comments like this. Most pilots that come to America aren't here for the jobs. Jobs outside the states are usually better.

Maybe not NOW, but there was a time when ROW (rest of the world) was not hiring AT ALL. There were literally tons of foreign guys here getting jobs at US airlines. And yes, they were here because they couldn't get a job in their own country. I've flown with MANY of them.

NZAV8R 01-02-2008 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 290815)
Exactly...... well said Rick. Personally I think fair is fair. If you want to fly for a US flagged carrier.... get citizenship.



So, what do you think about those that have dual citizenship? Is it fair then? And what if they have a ‘foreign’ accent as well? Would that make a difference? Would you consider them welcome, or unwelcome? Just say that you bump into one at an airport, and get into a conversation, and you then realize that they speak with a ‘foreign’ accent, how would you identify if they are a US citizen, or not? Would you ask them directly, assume they are here on a work visa or permit, or think nothing of it?

ExperimentalAB 01-02-2008 12:05 PM

We're getting pretty deep here now...and when you're this deep, nothing smells good.

stbloc 01-02-2008 03:55 PM

You can not just show up here and apply for citizenship because you want to. You have to be entitled under the laws to qualify for it. No us airline will sponsors pilots. Any who tells you that they are flying with pilots at major airlines that are foreigners are lying. People get hire at airlines here because they either get married to an American, apply for asylum, have parents who are US citizens, and their a few other ways, but these are the most common. If you anyone is upset about flying with foreign born pilot need to complain to your legislator. These are the laws and if you don’t like them then you can always leave and immigrate to another county.

Joachim 01-02-2008 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by HPilot (Post 290988)
So it's fair that I can't fly for Air Canada, but a Canadian can come down and fly for my airline? America must be about bending over and taking one in the rear, because it sure seems like we do it a lot.

No. It isn't.


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 291009)
Joachim.... yea well people like you tick me off as well. Take your PCness and shove it.

No.

Btw; We work for the the same company, check their values.


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