My perspective on Colgan's Growth
#31
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That's pretty funny. Ask any mainline pilot what is ruining the profession and they will tell you that RJs have ruined it, not turboprops. For every two or three RJs there used to be a DC-9 or a 737. Most of the mainline guys were turboprop pilots. That's probably why when I jumpseat on USAirways, that treat me great when they learn i fly a Saab, like they did back in the day. USAirways captains from the airport I learned at advised me from the beginning to not to become "one of those RJ pukes." About the union, it seems that United and Usairways pilots are trying to get rid of ALPA because they suck. As for your comment about our union vote and you putting us on the list behind MESA, last time I checked MESA is ALPA, and Mesa sucks. These things lead me to conclude that ALPA sucks. DMEarc is a Saab captain and has nothing to do with the Q400, so why can't you be happy for him? I don't think his 40 minute Saab legs are taking away any of your flying. Maybe if you make up and be nice to him, he will write you a letter of recommendation when you are qualified to apply to Continental in another 8 years.
Cub,
have you taken the time to learn WHY Mesa is ALPA yet has the contract they do?
#32
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That's pretty funny. Ask any mainline pilot what is ruining the profession and they will tell you that RJs have ruined it, not turboprops. For every two or three RJs there used to be a DC-9 or a 737. Most of the mainline guys were turboprop pilots. That's probably why when I jumpseat on USAirways, that treat me great when they learn i fly a Saab, like they did back in the day. USAirways captains from the airport I learned at advised me from the beginning to not to become "one of those RJ pukes." About the union, it seems that United and Usairways pilots are trying to get rid of ALPA because they suck. As for your comment about our union vote and you putting us on the list behind MESA, last time I checked MESA is ALPA, and Mesa sucks. These things lead me to conclude that ALPA sucks. DMEarc is a Saab captain and has nothing to do with the Q400, so why can't you be happy for him? I don't think his 40 minute Saab legs are taking away any of your flying. Maybe if you make up and be nice to him, he will write you a letter of recommendation when you are qualified to apply to Continental in another 8 years.
This is exactly what I mean.........................get a grip, oh and I already meet the mins at CAL, what some of you at Colgan don't understand is that it isnt the PIC that opens most doors, I would rather know the guys I know in the union and know the people I know in the union then be a SAAB CA for 43/hr...................
Last time I jumpseated on a US Airways airplane the CA had no idea who Colgan was..........believe me they don't care about you or anybody below them. Also I am not saying I agree with what went down with the AWA/USAIR guys, but if they folded, they wouldnt be on any seniority list
the 40 minute SAAB legs may not be taking away mainline flying, but the Q's sure are. Look bottom line is any addition flying that an airline farms out to any regional is not really good news.............
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#33
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This is exactly what I mean.........................get a grip, oh and I already meet the mins at CAL, what some of you at Colgan don't understand is that it isnt the PIC that opens most doors, I would rather know the guys I know in the union and know the people I know in the union then be a SAAB CA for 43/hr...................
Last time I jumpseated on a US Airways airplane the CA had no idea who Colgan was..........believe me they don't care about you or anybody below them. Also I am not saying I agree with what went down with the AWA/USAIR guys, but if they folded, they wouldnt be on any seniority list
Last time I jumpseated on a US Airways airplane the CA had no idea who Colgan was..........believe me they don't care about you or anybody below them. Also I am not saying I agree with what went down with the AWA/USAIR guys, but if they folded, they wouldnt be on any seniority list
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Believe me, hes not going to CAL based on his massive 121 experience and his vast knowledge of the SAAB. Like I said TPIC is golden but not a guaranteed anything. I know a lot of guys with 1,000's of hrs of TPIC that don't get calls, he knew the right person. I do not. There are a lot of people over at CAL that have 0 TPIC time. Not saying I am going to get there without but if you think you get 1,000hrs of TPIC is going to get you in a door somewhere, not even close. I had the opportunity to stay at Colgan, I knew full well I would have accumulated the Turbine PIC time quicker there, but I didnt want to upgare there, simple as that
#35
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Why is it you XJET guys have such issues with everyone and everything, that you are just so better than others. Do you really feel that CJC and CHQ are at fault for your airlines problems right now? The thing is you never hear any guy from CHQ, Comair, Piedmont, PSA, ASA, or anyone else have such a "holier than now" attitude that you are so much better that everyone else.
Really need to get over yourself.
Really need to get over yourself.
The bottom feeder is the lowest bidder. Rejoice if you think that is good. Regional pilots already make sh!t for pay, thanks for doing it for even less, Colgan.
#36
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Try XJT, Comair, AE unions. Do they suck?
#37
the juice: its nice your in denial but wake up. look at the future in front of you. if you want to move onto that major with your quick pic time and not get furloughed you guys have to stand up and fight for better treatment. working for colgan flying 70 seat aircraft without strong work rules and for your horrible pay is inexcusable. if your happy with that then you should be ashamed to be a pilot. some of us are actually trying to make a living while enjoying our families. this inst a hobby.
and i call complete and utter BS on dmearc's supposed pay as a first yr fo and CA . no way were you home every night and getting that much at colgan. you might have busted your ass and flown 100 hrs a month and pulled a bunch of tricks to make that much but that is far from the norm and you weren't home every night. i made 33 at express first yr and a first yr at colgan made 23 mostly because he didn't get any per diem and didnt have a strong contract. he worked about the same hours wise as me and was home practically the same as me. he was on the saab.
dmearc is also the wet dream of every pilot. what happened to him is rare and he probably knew the right people to get into CAL. CAL is known for its nepotism so i am really not suprised. congrats you got lucky or knew the right person.
if living in base is your excuse for supporting such a horrible company then you should do your homework. better companies are hiring where you can very easily commute, make more money, have the same days off at colgan even with the commute, and only extend your upgrade a couple of months. Republic is one of those companies. living in base is no excuse. i will make a blanket statement: you dont know enough about this industry if your going to work for colgan.
i am dieing to hear a better defense besides saying that i am "my airline is better then yours" mongering or i get to stay home every night. I am not saying that my airline is better but i am saying that almost every other regional is much better than colgan. Colgan is a crappy company that is bringing this industry down and our profession. Defending it is selfish or stupid depending on your motive. YOu should be ashamed at working there for those pay rates on the Q. somebody want to make a coherent defense? or just want to make personal attacks? all i am hearing are a bunch of people out for themselves at the expense of their profession.
and i call complete and utter BS on dmearc's supposed pay as a first yr fo and CA . no way were you home every night and getting that much at colgan. you might have busted your ass and flown 100 hrs a month and pulled a bunch of tricks to make that much but that is far from the norm and you weren't home every night. i made 33 at express first yr and a first yr at colgan made 23 mostly because he didn't get any per diem and didnt have a strong contract. he worked about the same hours wise as me and was home practically the same as me. he was on the saab.
dmearc is also the wet dream of every pilot. what happened to him is rare and he probably knew the right people to get into CAL. CAL is known for its nepotism so i am really not suprised. congrats you got lucky or knew the right person.
if living in base is your excuse for supporting such a horrible company then you should do your homework. better companies are hiring where you can very easily commute, make more money, have the same days off at colgan even with the commute, and only extend your upgrade a couple of months. Republic is one of those companies. living in base is no excuse. i will make a blanket statement: you dont know enough about this industry if your going to work for colgan.
i am dieing to hear a better defense besides saying that i am "my airline is better then yours" mongering or i get to stay home every night. I am not saying that my airline is better but i am saying that almost every other regional is much better than colgan. Colgan is a crappy company that is bringing this industry down and our profession. Defending it is selfish or stupid depending on your motive. YOu should be ashamed at working there for those pay rates on the Q. somebody want to make a coherent defense? or just want to make personal attacks? all i am hearing are a bunch of people out for themselves at the expense of their profession.
#38
Believe me, hes not going to CAL based on his massive 121 experience and his vast knowledge of the SAAB. Like I said TPIC is golden but not a guaranteed anything. I know a lot of guys with 1,000's of hrs of TPIC that don't get calls, he knew the right person. I do not. There are a lot of people over at CAL that have 0 TPIC time. Not saying I am going to get there without but if you think you get 1,000hrs of TPIC is going to get you in a door somewhere, not even close. I had the opportunity to stay at Colgan, I knew full well I would have accumulated the Turbine PIC time quicker there, but I didnt want to upgare there, simple as that
#39
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Congratulations. You earned all that on the backs of your fellow pilots. You must feel proud. You will feel right at home with some of those old timers at CAL.
Colgan needs to vote in a union. That Q pay is horrific.
If Colgan does not vote in a union next time around, they are right on my list with Gojet and behind, yes behind Mesa.
Colgan needs to vote in a union. That Q pay is horrific.
If Colgan does not vote in a union next time around, they are right on my list with Gojet and behind, yes behind Mesa.
The Q400 payrates are insulting to the pilot group here. The ALPA drive failed by 4 votes. It is our own fault because there was a mentality here that it would pass without question...So people thought
"Well hell, why do I need to vote? I want ALPA but I don't have the time to vote".
That is a terrible attitude to have and we're suffering for it, so we understand that.
Secondly- because we lack representation, we didn't have a say in the Q400 payrates. They are TERRIBLE. And it is the MAIN reason why VERY FEW of our pilots want to go to that airplane. We have underbid NO ONE. We have stolen NO ONES flying. We didn't ask for it. When most of us came to Colgan we were an EAS/At-Risk company threatening NO ONE. Within 2 years we have become "bottom feeding, scum sucking, scabs" of the regional industry. None of us asked for the new flying or airplanes.
I thought we were in this together, considering we are an ALPA-driving carrier right now, but I guess not. You're solution is sticking them in with scabs.
ALPA will pass in August, we will negotiate better payrates. CERTAINLY not Horizon rates, but certainly deservable payrates and continue growing the Q400 operation. Unfourtunately for you it will be in IAH next.
DONT FORGET- EXPRESSJET UNDERBID AWAC and SKYWEST for the DELTA CONTRACT.
But- I guess thats okay, isn't it?
#40
You seem to be quite new in this industry, so let me educate you!
The Q400 payrates are insulting to the pilot group here. The ALPA drive failed by 4 votes. It is our own fault because there was a mentality here that it would pass without question...So people thought
"Well hell, why do I need to vote? I want ALPA but I don't have the time to vote".
That is a terrible attitude to have and we're suffering for it, so we understand that.
Secondly- because we lack representation, we didn't have a say in the Q400 payrates. They are TERRIBLE. And it is the MAIN reason why VERY FEW of our pilots want to go to that airplane. We have underbid NO ONE. We have stolen NO ONES flying. We didn't ask for it. When most of us came to Colgan we were an EAS/At-Risk company threatening NO ONE. Within 2 years we have become "bottom feeding, scum sucking, scabs" of the regional industry. None of us asked for the new flying or airplanes.
I thought we were in this together, considering we are an ALPA-driving carrier right now, but I guess not. You're solution is sticking them in with scabs.
ALPA will pass in August, we will negotiate better payrates. CERTAINLY not Horizon rates, but certainly deservable payrates and continue growing the Q400 operation. Unfourtunately for you it will be in IAH next.
DONT FORGET- EXPRESSJET UNDERBID AWAC and SKYWEST for the DELTA CONTRACT.
But- I guess thats okay, isn't it?
The Q400 payrates are insulting to the pilot group here. The ALPA drive failed by 4 votes. It is our own fault because there was a mentality here that it would pass without question...So people thought
"Well hell, why do I need to vote? I want ALPA but I don't have the time to vote".
That is a terrible attitude to have and we're suffering for it, so we understand that.
Secondly- because we lack representation, we didn't have a say in the Q400 payrates. They are TERRIBLE. And it is the MAIN reason why VERY FEW of our pilots want to go to that airplane. We have underbid NO ONE. We have stolen NO ONES flying. We didn't ask for it. When most of us came to Colgan we were an EAS/At-Risk company threatening NO ONE. Within 2 years we have become "bottom feeding, scum sucking, scabs" of the regional industry. None of us asked for the new flying or airplanes.
I thought we were in this together, considering we are an ALPA-driving carrier right now, but I guess not. You're solution is sticking them in with scabs.
ALPA will pass in August, we will negotiate better payrates. CERTAINLY not Horizon rates, but certainly deservable payrates and continue growing the Q400 operation. Unfourtunately for you it will be in IAH next.
DONT FORGET- EXPRESSJET UNDERBID AWAC and SKYWEST for the DELTA CONTRACT.
But- I guess thats okay, isn't it?
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