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meritflyer 01-14-2008 09:03 AM

SkyWest to buy Comair?
 
Read it on another forum and ironically, had SKYW training captain mention it while in the jumpseat recently on one of their CR7's.

Said it was to secure more Delta flying. I think it'd be a definate win-win for SKYW and CMR.

The Chow 01-14-2008 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by meritflyer (Post 299393)
Read it on another forum and ironically, had SKYW training captain mention it while in the jumpseat recently on one of their CR7's.

Said it was to secure more Delta flying. I think it'd be a definate win-win for SKYW and CMR.

We were always taught in business school never to have an increasing share of a decreasing market. Comair has A LOT of CRJ200's. I'm not sure if that is the fleet makeup SKW wants.

flycrj200 01-14-2008 10:08 AM

Delta will never sell to Skywest because they will not allow one airline to control most of the Delta Connection flying.

naley70b 01-14-2008 10:11 AM

What is the makeup of delta regional flying? like what percentage does SkyWest/ASA have, comair, RAH? so on and so forth?

H46Bubba 01-14-2008 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by meritflyer (Post 299393)
Read it on another forum and ironically, had SKYW training captain mention it while in the jumpseat recently on one of their CR7's.

Said it was to secure more Delta flying. I think it'd be a definate win-win for SKYW and CMR.

Oh Merit, you're such a gossiper!:rolleyes: You're worse than mechanics!:D

ExperimentalAB 01-14-2008 11:29 AM

No way dude! That would be a silly game for SKW to play, and besides, Mama D wouldn't let it happen...

cessna157 01-14-2008 11:34 AM

I can sum up my reaction to this post in one word:

"HA!"

Slaphappy 01-14-2008 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by meritflyer (Post 299393)
Read it on another forum and ironically, had SKYW training captain mention it while in the jumpseat recently on one of their CR7's.

Said it was to secure more Delta flying. I think it'd be a definate win-win for SKYW and CMR.

Is this the same skywest captain that said skywest was at a 6 year upgrade? No offense to CMR people but why would skywest want comair? Their fleet is made up of about 80% of those old crj200s that are a dying breed.

cessna157 01-14-2008 11:39 AM

How is that offensive? It's the truth.

Not that I would believe this rumor for an instant, but Comair being mostly CRJ100/200s is a reason to buy......opportunity for growth

ExperimentalAB 01-14-2008 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 299494)
How is that offensive? It's the truth.

Not that I would believe this rumor for an instant, but Comair being mostly CRJ100/200s is a reason to buy......opportunity for growth

Comair does not equal growth, any way you cut the cake.

flyandive 01-14-2008 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 299409)
Comair has A LOT of CRJ200's.

We do? I think I've flown a 200 like less than 5 times. Now 100's? Yeah we have a LOT of those! Our airplanes are old. :o

Slaphappy 01-14-2008 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by flyandive (Post 299546)
We do? I think I've flown a 200 like less than 5 times. Now 100's? Yeah we have a LOT of those! Our airplanes are old. :o

What the hell is a crj 100? I though that was just a joke

johnso29 01-14-2008 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 299553)
What the hell is a crj 100? I though that was just a joke

Its kinda like a 200, but older.

flyandive 01-14-2008 12:41 PM

Yeah, the 100s are the ones with the A engines. At least according to this: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=125

ExperimentalAB 01-14-2008 12:42 PM

Those older -200's are bad enough - I can't imagine flying a -100 LoL

cessna157 01-14-2008 01:27 PM

Most of the 100s have been retrofitted to be 200s with the older A engines. There's a couple differences between the 100 and 200, engines aren't necessarily it. 51K and 53K was the biggest difference between the 2. But alas, all of the 51Ks and been retro-ed to 53K

flyandive 01-14-2008 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 299597)
Most of the 100s have been retrofitted to be 200s with the older A engines. There's a couple differences between the 100 and 200, engines aren't necessarily it. 51K and 53K was the biggest difference between the 2. But alas, all of the 51Ks and been retro-ed to 53K

This shows how incredibly bored I am. http://www.crj.bombardier.com/CRJ/en...d=en&crjId=200

It says the 51K airplanes are are the ER's and the 53K airplanes are the LR's. I'm also looking at airfleets.net and apparently there are so many more variations than I thought existed so I give up. I do find it interesting that Comair's average fleet age is 8.5 years! Skywest (Just for comparison!) is 4.4 years. I need to stop surfing the internet now, it's becoming bad for my brain. :o by the way what were originally talking about?

berge7f9 01-14-2008 01:46 PM

CM, not working I see. So am I, Im on a medical LOA

flyandive 01-14-2008 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by berge7f9 (Post 299610)
CM, not working I see. So am I, Im on a medical LOA

Yeah, just got off a 4 day then I'll be on A2 tomorrow. ugh, shoot me now.

Diver Driver 01-14-2008 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by flyandive (Post 299615)
Yeah, just got off a 4 day then I'll be on A2 tomorrow. ugh, shoot me now.

Hey dude, I start a 6 day tomorrow.... I go through JFK a few times, might see ya.

CRJDriver 01-14-2008 01:57 PM

Hey, at least JFK guys are flying. I've flown 3.5 hrs. so far this month out of CVG with 'bid to fly', but I think I've deadheaded close to 10 hrs already:p Maybe I should start logging DH time....

flyandive 01-14-2008 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Diver Driver (Post 299618)
Hey dude, I start a 6 day tomorrow.... I go through JFK a few times, might see ya.

lol, Yeah you do! I might, maybe on one of your 3 and a half hour productivity breaks! I also see you got some of those BOS-BGR flights, that should be fun. :D

Diver Driver 01-14-2008 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by flyandive (Post 299628)
lol, Yeah you do! I might, maybe on one of your 3 and a half hour productivity breaks! I also see you got some of those BOS-BGR flights, that should be fun. :D

There's always plenty of BGR/BOS flights to go around...

flyandive 01-14-2008 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 299622)
Hey, at least JFK guys are flying. I've flown 3.5 hrs. so far this month out of CVG with 'bid to fly', but I think I've deadheaded close to 10 hrs already:p Maybe I should start logging DH time....

Yeah things are messed up now. It seems to be hit or miss these days on flying. Diver has a fair bit and he is CVG.

CRJDriver 01-14-2008 02:07 PM

I see those BOS-BGR flights in Open Time in CVG all the time, they go something like this...

Deadhead CVG-BOS
BOS-BGR
BGR-BOS
Deadhead BOS-ATL
Deadhead ATL-CVG

Sounds like fun! NOT!

flyandive 01-14-2008 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 299632)
I see those BOS-BGR flights in Open Time in CVG all the time, they go something like this...

Deadhead CVG-BOS
BOS-BGR
BGR-BOS
Deadhead BOS-ATL
Deadhead ATL-CVG

Sounds like fun! NOT!

Yeah, I was just wondering why those were in CVG's open time. I would understand if it involved flying to BOS from CVG first but why deadhead someone on a 2 and half hour flight vs someone from JFK. I just think it would make more sense for them not that they should.

The Chow 01-14-2008 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by flyandive (Post 299636)
Yeah, I was just wondering why those were in CVG's open time. I would understand if it involved flying to BOS from CVG first but why deadhead someone on a 2 and half hour flight vs someone from JFK. I just think it would make more sense for them not that they should.

I wonder if it has to do with cutting down on the JFK slots/flying? I'm trying to think BIG PICTURE>:D

flyandive 01-14-2008 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 299644)
I wonder if it has to do with cutting down on the JFK slots/flying? I'm trying to think BIG PICTURE>:D

WOW, By golly I think you're right! Not only are they cutting back real flights out of JFK they are also cutting back the fake SBS ones! Now that's clever on their part.

CptRyn 01-14-2008 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by flyandive (Post 299636)
Yeah, I was just wondering why those were in CVG's open time. I would understand if it involved flying to BOS from CVG first but why deadhead someone on a 2 and half hour flight vs someone from JFK. I just think it would make more sense for them not that they should.

I haven't really been looking or seeing the trips in open times, but when I was based in JFK, they tried to DH me three different times to Boston. EVERY time my flight out of JFK would be delayed and the flight would cancel out of Boston and would have to ferry it elsewhere. It was always a thing of only 45 minutes from time of scheduled arrival to scheduled departure.

flyandive 01-14-2008 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by CptRyn (Post 299668)
I haven't really been looking or seeing the trips in open times, but when I was based in JFK, they tried to DH me three different times to Boston. EVERY time my flight out of JFK would be delayed and the flight would cancel out of Boston and would have to ferry it elsewhere. It was always a thing of only 45 minutes from time of scheduled arrival to scheduled departure.

This is true, and I think you might be right. On just one day when we had a bunch of storms come through they tried deadheading me to BOS on 4 different flights all of which canceled and by the end of it I was useless to them because I would have timed out. But in my case the BGR flights would have been canceled too.

rickair7777 01-14-2008 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by flycrj200 (Post 299426)
Delta will never sell to Skywest because they will not allow one airline to control most of the Delta Connection flying.

100% correct.

Also Jerry doesn't want a bunch of 50 seaters, and he sure doesn't want that particular work group...ASA gave him enough fits.

However, I would not rule out DAL actually PAYING skywest to "adopt" CA. :rolleyes:

ExperimentalAB 01-14-2008 03:40 PM

Love your posts, rickair...!

cfii2007 01-14-2008 03:40 PM

I bet DAL and NWA merge. Seems as though Comair is being cleaned up, maybe to make it more attractive?

ToiletDuck 01-14-2008 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 299486)
Is this the same skywest captain that said skywest was at a 6 year upgrade? No offense to CMR people but why would skywest want comair? Their fleet is made up of about 80% of those old crj200s that are a dying breed.

It's not about aircraft. It's about routes and contracts. If delta has a XX yr long contract with commair and commair is sold then SKW gets to keep flying on that deal. The certificates and the legalities that come with them are what's worth the money. The routes, the flight contracts, ground contracts, gates, etc. Look at AA and TWA. I was in ATL just the other day and there were several TWA 757s on the Delta ramp going to the Delta paintshop because AA didn't want the planes.

ExperimentalAB 01-14-2008 07:18 PM

ToiletDuck, you have absolutely no excuse for misspelling Comair...and not once, but twice!! :D

Diver Driver 01-14-2008 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 299904)
ToiletDuck, you have absolutely no excuse for misspelling Comair...and not once, but twice!! :D

Oh snap!!!

Paok 01-14-2008 08:32 PM

JFK Reservists are flying LOTS.... LOTS LOTS LOTS... I think Ive flown (or done something) everyday but in the last 2 months and Im a pretty "senior" reserve holder, at least when it comes to short call I am #1 waaahooo


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