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subicpilot 01-14-2008 01:22 PM

You might want to consider pointing out to this captain that he is the only captain you fly with who does this. Then ask him if he flew with a lot of captains when he was a first officer, that micromanaged him. One techinque I used a lot when I was a F/O was just to talk a lot about what I was doing. "Ok, we're coming up on five thousand...I'm gonna slow back to 210 and get the slats out. Then we can do the approach checklist." Stuff like that. That way, he knows what you're thinking. Usually micromanaging stems from insecurity...he has to have it a certain way because he can't deal with it if it isn't! This guy probably doesn't think too well outside the box. Either that or he thinks his way is better than whatever you were taught by training and standards. Either way, the bottom line is it's his jet, but you should be able to be the PF and use your own techniques..until you goon it up, then you might wind up doing it his way. Who knows, you might wind up teaching him a thing or two...

Unknown Rider 01-14-2008 01:23 PM

You've Got the Airplane!
 
Try this, next time he decides to micromanage during the approach, just say "You've got the airplane!". Just make sure you were following all FAA and company procedures and be prepared to immediately take over PM duties. Works best if it's real busy and you're being slam dunked. If he wants to know why later, just tell him you felt unsafe trying to fly the airplane and follow his directions at the same time.

Jetjock65 01-14-2008 01:35 PM

Just be thankful you only have to put up with this guy for a month. I flew in the right seat with a Capt. like this for 2 yrs. Most horrible 2 yrs of my flying career-Always had something to say no matter what-People like this are control freaks and will never change. I would take the advice of the peers in your industry (airline) and talk to your flight standards dept.
I wish I would have had this option. Good luck !!

RJ Pilot 01-14-2008 02:17 PM

Maybe isn't the Captain.

Seatownflyer 01-14-2008 02:24 PM

I think POPA has the best solution. As posted from another thread.


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 298693)
You're just not being assertive enough. For those who wish to make the CA do their bidding, just take my approach*:
"Do things my way, or I will punch you right in the head. Then, I will declare a medical emergency, divert, and quit when we land. I'll JS home, and you'll be stuck in the middle of nowhere. How ya like them apples?"

*POPA assumes no liability for anything that may happen as a result.


cfii2007 01-14-2008 02:30 PM

Let him think he is in control, that will satisfy his desire.

Same thing when dealing with women, let them think they actually know what they are talking about.

meeko031 01-14-2008 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 299640)
Maybe isn't the Captain.


Yeah, you're right. Maybe, im the one with the problem, how unprofessional of me to complain and post a comment about my day on how to deal with this super flying god!

SaltyDog 01-14-2008 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by JethroFDX (Post 299548)
Ditto for what FFB is saying but I would add that you first discuss this with a captain you have flown with and trust. If you can't resolve it yourself then seek help from a professional standards volunteer.

Ditto JethroFDX (thus FFB)
Insecure Capt. I'd bet lousy CRM briefs as well. I have done the Unkonwn Rider suggestion almost exactly as he stated. The Capt quit and we actually got along well afterwards.

Lalo37 01-14-2008 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by subicpilot (Post 299590)
You might want to consider pointing out to this captain that he is the only captain you fly with who does this. Then ask him if he flew with a lot of captains when he was a first officer, that micromanaged him. One techinque I used a lot when I was a F/O was just to talk a lot about what I was doing. "Ok, we're coming up on five thousand...I'm gonna slow back to 210 and get the slats out. Then we can do the approach checklist." Stuff like that. That way, he knows what you're thinking. Usually micromanaging stems from insecurity...he has to have it a certain way because he can't deal with it if it isn't! This guy probably doesn't think too well outside the box. Either that or he thinks his way is better than whatever you were taught by training and standards. Either way, the bottom line is it's his jet, but you should be able to be the PF and use your own techniques..until you goon it up, then you might wind up doing it his way. Who knows, you might wind up teaching him a thing or two...

DONT do this!!!! This is annoying as hell! I had an FO that would talk her way through everything as if she was still instructing....."Okay i'm bringing the power back, okay trimming it up, okay adding power, okay i'm going to raise the nose and slow it down so we can configure"


I DONT CARE what you are doing, just fly the plane the way the company tells us to and we'll be fine. One of the most annoying FO's I have EVER flown with.

Timmay 01-14-2008 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Lalo37 (Post 299671)
DONT do this!!!! This is annoying as hell! I had an FO that would talk her way through everything as if she was still instructing....."Okay i'm bringing the power back, okay trimming it up, okay adding power, okay i'm going to raise the nose and slow it down so we can configure"


I DONT CARE what you are doing, just fly the plane the way the company tells us to and we'll be fine. One of the most annoying FO's I have EVER flown with.

I'm glad to hear you say that, Lalo. After reading a few people suggesting that FO's should talk about what they are expecting to do, I was raising an eyebrow because I usually don't do that unless I see something out of whack and I start correcting. I can imagine that would get to be a pain if someone vocalized every move made throughout a trip.


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