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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 299879)
I kinda made a joke out of it and called him "Captain Micro" a few times.
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I am a little late too this thread, but here is how I deal with that situation. I tell the Captain that I would have no problem flying the airplane his way. I have to learn how to fly it his way, so he needs to be patient while I am relearning how to fly. I also tell him that since I am relearning how to fly I am more prone to making a mistake. Now you have to stay on your toes without relaxing to catch that mistake I am sure to make. The next word out of his mouth is usually, " ok do it your way."
The rest of the trip usually goes without a hitch and he has more respect for you since you handled the situation in a nonconfrontational manner. |
agreed just hand him the aircraft and let him fly the entire trip you get paid the same rather you fly or not. The new generation is all about being mr airline captain and forgetting where they cam from
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meeko031..if it makes you feel any better (and it probably won`t) we`ve all been there. This is a character builder.....
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
(Post 299879)
I flew with one of those just the other day. I kinda made a joke out of it and called him "Captain Micro" a few times. When he asked why I called him that I told him it was because he micro manages too much. I don't fly like him so either fly the legs or let me fly. I'm not just some voice activated autopilot system. The rest of the 4 day anytime he'd start micromanaging I'd just call him captain micro and he'd back off. He'd say something like "well I don't really care but there are other captains who do and they'll snap at you". I wouldn't respond back to that but in the back of my mind I'd be thinking that if there is I sure haven't met him or anyone close.
Ever notice how a CA always uses the "To me it's no big deal... but.." For your situation I advise to call him Capt. Micro, avoid his employee number, or simply say that you aren't challenging his authority you're flying the plane how you'd like to and unless he can show you where you're doing something wrong then you'll keep doing it. Tell him he's f'ing with your mojo and making you fly like crap because you're having to focus on him more than the aircraft and the situation at hand.\ Then wait till he's making a bad landing and ask the tower for lower lol. |
Originally Posted by subicpilot
(Post 299719)
This technique is only to be used with aforementioned irritating micromanaging captain...comprende? He obviously can't just fly the plane...that's why he posted his problem on this board. Read. Breathe. Repeat.
It amuses me to see that you somehow thought I was attacking you. Maybe you should "read. breath. repeat" I in no way intended my post to be against you, just giving a little info on an experience I had. I agree with what you say that this could be used with the captain mentioned but relax man, it was nothing against you. |
Originally Posted by Joachim
(Post 300710)
I tried this technique today and it backfired badly. My IOE capt. got even worse:p
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Originally Posted by Seatownflyer
(Post 300723)
uh oh. what happened?
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Probally not a good Idea to do this to an IOE Capt. Especially since your fate of getting on the line depends on his signature.
IOE is a time to learn anyway isn't it? |
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 300725)
Sounded to me like a joke! :D
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Originally Posted by Seatownflyer
(Post 300728)
oh. hehe. Sorry, I'm still fuming from the other thread so all my other senses are dulled. :p
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joke was over my head i guess-I got assigned not to long ago with a new guy to do some IOE type training and the guy totally blew me away at some of his responses when I would correct him on things or give helpful hints-There are alot of people out there that think that just because they pased a check ride in a SIM that they know how to actually fly the JET in the real world.
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Originally Posted by Lalo37
(Post 300712)
It amuses me to see that you somehow thought I was attacking you. Maybe you should "read. breath. repeat"
I in no way intended my post to be against you, just giving a little info on an experience I had. I agree with what you say that this could be used with the captain mentioned but relax man, it was nothing against you. Be aware that using caps is like shouting, just in case you didn't know. That's why I made the "Breathe" comment. Your post sounded more like you were telling meeko that my post was bad advice, rather than explaining how it was used on you once and you found it irritating. That made me think you didn't understand that I intended for that little technique only for that situation, not for F/O's to use in general. We all are entitled to our differing opinions! Hey, good debate and bad spelling is what this forum is all about!:D |
Great thread and...
Yes,,, it's happened to all of us...
It's called Upgrade training! |
Hey I think I know that guy. CJC??? :) The best thing to do is talk it out. (on the ground or in cruise). I have had Captains like that in the past and have gotten into a tight spot or two due to preaching on final. If you are flying per the book, well no worries. It is the Captains airplane, however, sometimes these folks need a reality check. I had to tell a Captain to "lock it up" until we were on the ground. Funny thing was it worked. Everyones different. If all else fails bid a different line. Those people are few and far between! Good Luck
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Originally Posted by meeko031
(Post 299658)
Yeah, you're right. Maybe, im the one with the problem, how unprofessional of me to complain and post a comment about my day on how to deal with this super flying god!
HMMMMMMM....Maybe I am wrong. Also, as a fellow Saab guy, having to increase airspeed should not be an issue at all on final while stacked in traffic. I find myself having to slow for traffic all the time because the Saab has the ability to slow down and speed up quickly down low in the terminal enviroment. Maybe I am wrong but after 2 years in the Saab you should be a rock star in that thing waiting for upgrade..why have you not upgraded yet? |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 301393)
Maybe my memory is wrong but is this the 2nd thread you have started about CA's having to comment on your flying?
HMMMMMMM....Maybe I am wrong. Also, as a fellow Saab guy, having to increase airspeed should not be an issue at all on final while stacked in traffic. I find myself having to slow for traffic all the time because the Saab has the ability to slow down and speed up quickly down low in the terminal enviroment. Maybe I am wrong but after 2 years in the Saab you should be a rock star in that thing waiting for upgrade..why have you not upgraded yet? yeah youre right, the first time was just a fluke! I cut the approach short without letting him know of my intentions (like what I said, Im not perfect) That was my fault. I flew with that same captain 2 days later and everything was smooth.(first posting you are referring to). He even had dinner while we were in cruise so I think he trusted me after that. Anyone here reading this post and you work at MQ,(this should answer your upgrade question) pm me and I'll give you the captain's name so you can justify my madness! OH well I fly with this dude tomorrow so we'll see how it turns out! |
You know I always find it amusing flying with different people. I've spent a lot time on rsv and I bid RLF and CMP so I can get my day trips. Your at Eagle too, so you know its a huge company and you get to fly with people from all over the country. Its funny but, I noticed the capts are that are the most uptight are the ones closest to the company's main hub DFW ORD. Most of the guys in LGA BOS are laid back. I hear LAX is the same. I wonder what it is about being close to company headquarters makes people like that. Some of the best captains I've flown with are TWA. Hands down. I have only had one captain that I won't fly with again. Interesting but, his trips are always open, wonder why?? Too bad, because this month his got hot FA, poor girl hahe. There are few of the"nervous flyers", FAA capts, etc out there. As long as they are nice and considerate I don't care, I'll play their game. I would say for the most part they are all pretty good. Most let me fly the airplane and I tell them that if something looks off, let me know. I will say flying with somebody like that is definitly a confidence killer. You feel like your on egg shells all the time.
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