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Did you ever fly with a pilot that goes..
250 knots on downwind past the airport for miles. Then, the instant they slow 1 knot below the placarded slat (if applicable) speed limitation, they throw out the 1st notch and maintain that speed. Then they'll incoherently follow and fly the flap and gear placards the same way (precisely 1 knot less) until level at the top of approach altitude, fully configured miles outside the final approach fix with engines spooled up to 80%....”?
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no i have not
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Originally Posted by CFI4ever
(Post 300268)
250 knots on downwind past the airport for miles. Then, the instant they slow 1 knot below the placarded slat (if applicable) speed limitation, they throw out the 1st notch and maintain that speed. Then they'll incoherently follow and fly the flap and gear placards the same way (precisely 1 knot less) until level at the top of approach altitude, fully configured miles outside the final approach fix with engines spooled up to 80%....”?
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It's cool to go fast.
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Sounds like somebody who should be driving NASCAR and not a Jet!
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No, its 250 to the marker, then throw everything out and configure on speed. On speed and spooled up at 500'. Thats how to roll.
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.....Then land, stand on the brakes, full reverse and make the first turn off.....
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Airspeed is life
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Originally Posted by Roll Inverted and Pull
(Post 300307)
.....Then land, stand on the brakes, full reverse and make the first turn off.....
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.....Then land, stand on the brakes, full reverse and make the first turn off...............
and end up in the grass!!!!!!!!!!! ooooops, is it still toooooo soon??? |
these are all people that dont know how to make money!
you know if you burn an extra 10 to 15 minutes on approach and taxi, maybe you guys would actually afford to buy lunch at the airport instead of pack it with you :) just kidding... no really im just kidding |
Originally Posted by jeff122670
(Post 300320)
.....Then land, stand on the brakes, full reverse and make the first turn off...............
and end up in the grass!!!!!!!!!!! ooooops, is it still toooooo soon??? i dont think they were the first aircraft in the history of aviation to run into the grass! and its always better than crashing into the grass! So no its not too soon! |
Originally Posted by ghilis101
(Post 300328)
these are all people that dont know how to make money!
you know if you burn an extra 10 to 15 minutes on approach and taxi, maybe you guys would actually afford to buy lunch at the airport instead of pack it with you :) |
Originally Posted by CFI4ever
(Post 300268)
250 knots on downwind past the airport for miles. Then, the instant they slow 1 knot below the placarded slat (if applicable) speed limitation, they throw out the 1st notch and maintain that speed. Then they'll incoherently follow and fly the flap and gear placards the same way (precisely 1 knot less) until level at the top of approach altitude, fully configured miles outside the final approach fix with engines spooled up to 80%....”?
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Yeah, that first one is just a waste of gas. But keeping it clean and fast to just outside the FAF and then bringing the power to idle and throwing all the flaps/slats out is pretty common (provided it's VMC and there aren't any other factors that would make you want to keep the engines spooled up). It usually works out that you're right at Ref+5 and adding the power back right around 500'...at least in the CRJ.
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would you stay clean if ATC slowed you to 200 kts?
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Originally Posted by CFI4ever
(Post 300383)
would you stay clean if ATC slowed you to 200 kts?
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get slow, get dirty, land, taxi slow, and take youre sweet time getting into the gate. In ORD, pray your gate is occupied and head for the penalty box.
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Originally Posted by cbire880
(Post 300331)
I wish. Our flights are so overblocked, you can't make money if you try.
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Fly as fast as you can until they tell you/you have to slow down.
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Just a technique for slowing down...if you don't need to dirty up fast, bring the thrust to idle slowly and keep the aircraft clean all the way down to maneuvering speed for your weight, then add one notch of flaps (don't do the Flaps 8, Flaps 20 deal in the CRJ, for example). Again, slow the aircraft without addt'l flaps down to the new maneuvering speed. Add power slowly and consistently as needed once you are dirty and it makes for an efficient/smooth ride.
If you've gotta slow down and get down, however, all bets are off :D |
Originally Posted by CFI4ever
(Post 300383)
would you stay clean if ATC slowed you to 200 kts?
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Originally Posted by fosters
(Post 300690)
Depends...are you high and/or anticipate getting slam dunked?
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Originally Posted by Dashdog
(Post 300422)
If I'm not mistaken, being overblocked means you make money every time. I love overblocked flights.;)
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CFI,
I "get" your post, really I do. At my current gig, I see a lot of what you're talking about and at other places also. My favorite is the use of the speedbrakes on the MD11. Some folks like to go from the full stowed position to full deflection when doing 350 knots. The time that bent me the most was when I was sitting on the crapper and Buck Rogers up front yanked the speedbrakes to full deflection at high speed. I just about fell off the comode and into the aisle behind the cockpit...not a pretty sight for all parties. In the end, I ask myself, is this pilot going to get me violated, bend metal or injure my amazingly good looks, or win me a free trip to the Chief Pilot's office to sit on the side of the oak desk without an ash tray ? If not, then just monitor their airshow, tactfully point out to them you've never seen the airplane flown with that much gusto and then have a beer at the end of your trip. I think you will it will help you fly with situationally-challenged airman a lot easier. Tailwinds, FF |
Ahhh the beauty of the Whale, slow down whenever you want and no one says a word. I start to slow at a minimum of 13 miles out mostly due to SOP requiring no level segments if we can help it.
I hear ya about the float on the can. The 744 has a pretty big pitching moment if you go into the detent while fast. |
I heard a mesa FA nonreving on a comair flight "I swear our 145's are SO much faster than Comairs CRJ's" haha block or better, or block..... id ride the pole too if I was only getting paid block....... then I had a Mesa instructor say to me "WAIT you get block or BETTER?" ohh so u like flying out of JFK
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Originally Posted by FliFast
(Post 300781)
CFI,
I "get" your post, really I do. At my current gig, I see a lot of what you're talking about and at other places also. My favorite is the use of the speedbrakes on the MD11. Some folks like to go from the full stowed position to full deflection when doing 350 knots. The time that bent me the most was when I was sitting on the crapper and Buck Rogers up front yanked the speedbrakes to full deflection at high speed. I just about fell off the comode and into the aisle behind the cockpit...not a pretty sight for all parties. In the end, I ask myself, is this pilot going to get me violated, bend metal or injure my amazingly good looks, or win me a free trip to the Chief Pilot's office to sit on the side of the oak desk without an ash tray ? If not, then just monitor their airshow, tactfully point out to them you've never seen the airplane flown with that much gusto and then have a beer at the end of your trip. I think you will it will help you fly with situationally-challenged airman a lot easier. Tailwinds, FF FF, This post almost made my coffee shoot out my nose! Thank you for starting my day off right! :) |
How about the guy who on the last leg only talks about his commute and how he doesn't know if he has enough time to make it to the gate. Then proceeds to fly the visual at the slowest possible speed(tprop)(100knots or so). Then all the rj's start to close in behind you and start asking for the parallel runway. The tower gives them the parallel runway and they just about touchdown the same time as us. Actually I think the only reason they don't beat us is because they are told not to pass us. We eventually get to the gate and he mumbles something like it’s my fault we are late and he isn't going to make it.
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