Lalo37

I am voting 100% NO!!!!!
The brasilia guys get screwed again. What a joke. The last pay raise that was voted in was voted in because the pilot group thought exactly what someone posted above......"if we dont vote yes now we will get nothing"

While that may be true, you cant vote yes out of fear. I am voting NO because I feel it is the right thing to do. I am not voting yes because I dont think what they are offering is fair. It's a complete joke.
We should go into negotiations............oh wait......

BoilerUP

I think its kinda funny some SKWers are now saying "Why vote no, we have no leverage" about the pay package while others said just a few months back "We at Skywest don't NEED a union - management takes care of us".

rickair7777

I don't think you're complying with the poster's original intent.

The union vote was a seperate issue...and it's over and done with, so there's no need to discuss it, at least for a few years.

The union issue has no relevance to the situation we are currently in.

meritflyer

Call my posts flame but the facts are the facts. If you have such a hard time with addressing such, dont read. SkyWest guys continue to get screwed by their management yet they think their management actually gives a snot about them. Imagine that.

meritflyer

They (the SKYW guys) have no choice but cry or take it like a man.

Wish they'd get with the program.

BoilerUP

My post didn't contain any cheap shots. I'm not talking about stolen flying or one company better than the other. I'm also not saying "ya'll would have gotten better if you had voted ALPA".

What I am saying is that its quite interesting, from the outside looking in (and no longer employed at a regional or represented by ALPA), that just a few months ago some folks thought that Skywest management would "take care of them" financially, and some even said they'd get ASA +/- 1%. Now, other folks say there's no point in voting "no" because the pilot group has no leverage.

You would be one of those latter folks, rick.

The original poster said: I'm not fighting. I'm not flaming. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm trying to be constructive by offering perspective. Seems in that regard I'm doing exactly what the original poster asked for...

I may not be at the regionals anymore but it is in MY best interest for Skywest pilots to get the best possible compensation because 1. a rising regional tide lifts all regional ships, and 2. you deserve it.

I guess I just don't understand having a resigned attitude about accepting an "unacceptable" pay package. Your pilot group could vote NO and send your SAPA reps back to negotiate a better proposal, or you can accept the benevolence of management and accept this one.

The Skywest pilot group has far more leverage than you are willing to admit - regardless of being represented by ALPA or not.

SkyWestPilot1

I guess the reason I'm not upset is because the raise we were offered is almost exactly what I was expecting. I think alot of people got all excited when they heard we were talking about getting a raise and in the process started expecting somthing that was not realistic.

Flying is a second career for me, I've spent the better part of my adult life running my own business, that being said I'm going to say something that alot of you are not going to like. Here goes. Jerry and crew (who have a much more successful business than I) feel that the pay we were offered is all the market will support today AND for the foreseeable future. Now, we could have been offered and paid more, the problem then becomes that we become unattractive to future suitors, endangering the companies health. This is not rocket science. Everyone gets so emotional about what they think they're worth, the reality is if you want to get paid what your worth start your own business, geez, we only work half the month, I'd go crazy if I didn't have something constructive to do when I got home.

Now, as far as ASA getting 1% more, please read my post from a month ago, and earlier today.

I'll be bold and predict that in the next 5-8 years we're going to see more regional carriers closing their doors. The market will cull out the weak, this has happened since the beginning of time. Survival of the fittest.

BassFishr

I hope that you guys "SkyWest" do get what we all deserve, but....can you really justify that these issues are seperate? I want to keep my response positive, so I won't bring up the whole made the bed so sleep in it comment. oops too late.

rickair7777

They are seperate now. We can't go back and change the union vote.

However... those who did not vote yes for the union should not be complaining about this pay proposal.

rickair7777

How? I'd like to think so, but we can't reject the this proposal and then force the company to the table...and we can't walk, or even threaten to.

65% of SKW pilots are not going to go to any great lengths to change this proposal, and management is not going to offer any significant improvements until SKW compensation is below industry average (watch first year pay go up regardless of how the vote goes).

Maybe I'll vote no just to see what happens if it get's rejected.