BassFishr

completely Agree

iahflyr

Thanks for all the constructive posts so far. This is what I was hoping would come from this thread.

Does anyone have an answer to question number 3. How soon could there be a union drive (for ALPA or another union)?


I agree with boilerup. I think Skywest pilots have more leverage than they think. The threat of voting in ALPA is leverage.

65% of Skywest pilots voted against ALPA because they believed their management would take care of them. Fair enough. Now prove it to all of us. Silence people like meritflyer and other anti-Skywest people. Vote NO and ask management, "Please sir, I'd like some more." See what they say. If they negotiate and give a fair increase, then I will believe that your management truly takes care of you. If they say too bad, do away with the increases, and unilaterally raise first year pay, then vote in ALPA or another union.

If 35% of people were in favor of ALPA at the last vote, I would bet anything that GREATER THAN 35% of Skywest pilots are in favor of ALPA after seeing this pay proposal. Now imagine what happens if management refuses to negotiate. You would have 50% majority easily.

Please, whatever you do, DO NOT vote YES because you feel you have no leverage. Vote YES if you are truly satisfied with the pay package. If you want to see an improvement, vote NO, and see what happens. If it ends up causing management to not take care of you, vote in ALPA or another union if you need it. And then negotiate a real contract.

Seems simple. What do you Skywest guys considering voting YES think??

meritflyer

You obviously have no clue as to the legal rights of SKYW pilots. SAPA holds no power from a legal point of view. The only protections SKYW pilots have are US labor laws and FAA regulations. That's it.

You don't have to have an off the chart IQ to understand, labor is a variable cost. Especially when you have no authority as a labor force as granted by CBA's. They thought management would take care of them on their new pay rates and again, management proves themselves. Vote no. If management deems it appropriate guess what, you have no legal authority to say otherwise. As I've said before, this "association" is a lame duck association. As for me being anti-SKYW? Please dude.. I just want these guys to get with the program and get what they deserve. At SKYW management holds the cards.

They already had a vote recently and they said no.

History has proven otherwise. Remember when SKYW didn't get a pay raise to fly a bigger jet (CR900)? Isn't this industry paid on the amount of revenue eash jet carries?

You're a broken record dude.

They can vote no and send a message as a group but if management pleases, they as a pilot group have no legal grounds to collectively bargain, refuse management's proposal and/or walk.

TonyWilliams

Uh, the simple and readily available facts don't support your spewage. Quite simply, most of the rates are very similar to ASA's, but my opinion is that we should have met or exceeded their rates. We didn't.

SkyWestPilot1

Tony

That wasn't my thought or opinion, I'm just passing on info I was given by managment (off the record) 5 or 6 weeks ago. I'm certainly not on the inside and don't claim to know much of anything on my own before it happens. I have a pretty good source that I visit with from time to time, but that info doesn't always come to fruition. Things change. Sorry if I offended anyone, that wasn't my intention.

pc12driver

[QUOTE=Lalo37;301165]I am voting 100% NO!!!!!
The brasilia guys get screwed again. What a joke. QUOTE]

I Think that this is true, but the Bro is supose to be gone in the next few years anyway so I dont see this as to much as a big deal. If it was supose to be sticking around I would not feel this way. I do think that the pay should have been better, like 24 for first year and a flat 1.5 to 2 percent raise across the board. Just my 2cents.

yellowfever

I would think that most of the Skywest pilot group would expect to exceed the ASA rates in the 700 and 900 due to the Block Override. Has anyone figured out how much the ASE guys lose because of the 200 base rate for sim time, recurrent, vacation accrual, deadhead, etc... (Not just ASE, but anyone who predominantly flies the 700 and/or 900).

Lalo37

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!! Those are my thoughts exactly. This and what merit said about management looking out for us Pilots.

Hayduke

So did you vote to send it to us? I hope not, if you didn't think it was adequate. I hope someone looked CC or KB or whoever was doing the negociating in the eye and asked them how exactly they figure that an ASA pilot is worth more than one of us (I know the answer to that...they have the balls to have a union).

SaltyDog

Just a curious question from an outsider. Does the company always have you vote on working conditions? I really find it unique since you have no legally recognized collective bargaining agent. If so, has it ever been rejected?
What happened?
On the flip side, since management could toss any proposal out and let you sit on ice, maybe better to get the football as far down the field as possible, then reconsider a viable union (inhouse/ALPA/other) that works for your pilot group. At least the starting point is closer to where it needs to be if a union is on the property.