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Tinpusher007 02-02-2008 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 312560)
hmmm...what made you choose to pay so much for a ticket from one side of the country to the other :rolleyes:....Seriously though 96 dollar tickets are another major step in the pay issues.

$96 dollar tickets are part of the reason why this industry is in so much financial trouble. The argument willl be made that the next guy will take the pax if you don't offer fares that low. However, if your cost is inflated by fuel you hurt yourself more to spend the money to operate the flight at a loss than if you didn't operate it at all.

getrichflytryin 02-02-2008 01:53 PM

the problem is that owning an airline is like this feather in your cap type of industry. The second the airlines get reasonable and are saying to each other, well i guess we can leave our masochistic style of business and make a dime here or there some wunderkid or cutthroat operation opens up shop and bang! Back to square one. I mean look at Go! operation in Hawaii. I saw that first hand. There in the islands was a small scale closed market that was operating in relative finacial harmony. Then Mesa rolls up with the intention of steamrolling 3 airlines by sell AT A FREAKING LOSS for up to three years?! Seriously what kinda of industry does this crap?!

ExperimentalAB 02-02-2008 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 312498)
i'm always a favorite of "welcome aboard, this flight is being operated by the lowest bidder"

That oughta be SOP...

ExperimentalAB 02-02-2008 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 312095)
This is a quote from another thread:




If we can't educate the public about our industry, WE NEED TO LEARN! Most of the people I talk to think we make about twice as much as we do. When I explain how little we earn, they can't believe it. When I tell them we only get paid from engine start to shut down (and how little of our day that makes up) they are speechless.

We pilots MUST learn how to inform the public about the realities of being a pilot. If we don't, the image (tacitly endorsed by our employers) of a bunch of overpaid, over-sexed, and over-whiny cry babies will continue to haunt us!

The problem is, if we do go out and try to educate, what do you think we'll come off as? Arrogant, whiney, overpaid babies! If we were to educate, it would have to be very low-key and classy. Case in point: ALPA Picketing...I think it is a great idea! But then you have Joe Dirt walking down the street and all he can see is a gathering of Pilots making a LOT more than he ever will, ticked-off that they aren't making 100K to fly an RJ.

This is all easier said than done.

FlyJSH 02-02-2008 05:26 PM

If I may clarify my original post: educating the public by itself will not make everything rosy; however, having the public on our side may help tip the scales in our favor.

Let's say a regional pilot group starts picketing seeking support for higher pay. Do we want the people who walk by to think:
(a) They already make $100k, greedy SOBs
(b) I saw a news release from that company that says starting pay is $25 per hour. Starting at $50k per year and they still complain
or
(c) I got a buddy who flies for one of those puddle jumpers. He says he only made $20k when he started

There are a couple threads right now talking about news reports about "inexperienced pilots" at the regionals due to a pilot shortage. Well, what if a different spin were put out: "We spoke with several pilots who said starting wages so low, many pilots who are single parents qualify for food stamps. As a result companies are 'forced to lower the standards: raise the pay, and you raise the standards,' said one pilot."

(before anyone says anything, I am not bashing lowtimers: it is an economic fact that increasing pay will increase a company's pool)


And finally, for those who believe public opinion has little or no effect on us, consider the fate of Value Jet. A crash whose proximate cause was a FAR violation by a contractor; yet, Value Jet suffered. Still don't believe? Take a look at a hacked version of Air Tran's home page.

http://www.2600.org/hackedphiles/val...tml/frame.html


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