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PCL_128 02-08-2008 10:49 AM

HIREME, what you're suggesting is illegal. The MEC can't make any official statement about changing the status quo, and all of the things you mention would be interpreted by a judge as changing the status quo. This is something that the rank-and-file have to do on their own accord, just as the ASA pilots did. The ALPA leadership can't tell you to do it.

PCL_128 02-08-2008 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by jmack (Post 316781)
good luck, when your MEC leader picks up open time during a picket....thats a bad sign

I'd also like to know some initials, since I know every person on the MEC, and I doubt any of them were picking up open time (except maybe SR).

wolf 02-08-2008 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by jmack (Post 316781)
good luck, when your MEC leader picks up open time during a picket....thats a bad sign


Originally Posted by wolf (Post 316788)
This is a serious allegation you are making and to the best of my knowledge is unfounded. Please elaborate. I'd like to know the initials of the person you are referring to and on what date / picketing event this allegedly took place.

No response? Considering the nature of the allegations made, I would have expected some substantiation by now. Once again, please post the initials of the person in question as well as the date/event so that we can verify this allegation.

jmack 02-09-2008 12:13 PM

I am not going to sppon feed everyone hear info. But its pretty simple. do you know who your new MEC chairman is? BINGO. Simple, ask him what he did during the first picket held at the MX hangar in MEM. If your contract is important to you, you'd all be on this stuff. Easy for people to whine from the left field cheap seats

PCL_128 02-09-2008 12:22 PM

The Chairman of the Pinnacle MEC is a friend of mine. He's worked harder for that pilot group and for the profession than just about anybody. Your attacks are unfounded and ridiculous. Are you aware that the picket at the -900 launch at the hanger was scheduled last-minute? Are you aware that the MEC Chairman doesn't bid a line and is only able to occasionally fly by picking up open time once or twice a month? Would you prefer that your Chairman never fly the line and see what goes on out there? Get a clue.

HIREME 02-09-2008 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by PCL_128 (Post 316824)
HIREME, what you're suggesting is illegal. The MEC can't make any official statement about changing the status quo, and all of the things you mention would be interpreted by a judge as changing the status quo. This is something that the rank-and-file have to do on their own accord, just as the ASA pilots did. The ALPA leadership can't tell you to do it.

Thanks for the informed response...didn't realize it would be illegal if it came straight from the FOM...I thought it would be a reinforcement of company policy, but I guess I could see how it would be changing status quo if we haven't sent out similar letters in the past..Regardless, this is something we all should be doing anyway. Not doing ANYTHING to explicitly harm the company in ANY way, but we also shouldn't be bending/breaking rules that help line other's pockets. We should simply follow ALL proceedures EVERY flight.

dogpilot 02-10-2008 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by PCL_128 (Post 317492)
The Chairman of the Pinnacle MEC is a friend of mine. He's worked harder for that pilot group and for the profession than just about anybody. Your attacks are unfounded and ridiculous. Are you aware that the picket at the -900 launch at the hanger was scheduled last-minute? Are you aware that the MEC Chairman doesn't bid a line and is only able to occasionally fly by picking up open time once or twice a month? Would you prefer that your Chairman never fly the line and see what goes on out there? Get a clue.

You asked him to tell you who it was and then you make some B.S excuse to try and justify it. It wouldn't matter what he had said your mind is so closed you couldn't see the truth. Either he picked up open time during a picketing event or he didn't, in either case you asked for the truth and then spit it out because it didn't fit your taste. WEAK

TheProfessionalPilot 02-10-2008 10:30 AM

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DMEarc 02-10-2008 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by dogpilot (Post 317997)
You asked him to tell you who it was and then you make some B.S excuse to try and justify it. It wouldn't matter what he had said your mind is so closed you couldn't see the truth. Either he picked up open time during a picketing event or he didn't, in either case you asked for the truth and then spit it out because it didn't fit your taste. WEAK

He's got a point.

You really did pull that excuse out of your butt. Personally- SE should have been present at that picket, NOT picking up open time. That can be done at any time.

That being said, he is one of the best MEC Chairs in the industry.

Spooled 02-10-2008 11:04 AM

Who cares if he was there or not. You people have no idea how much he has done for this pilot group and how much he cares. Do you realize how much time he spends on union related issues?

All of you who are complaining don't do a thing for the pilot group. You are the ones who sit around ****ing and moaning about everything.

Give the guy a break.


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