Pinnacle pilot conference call tonight...
 

yeah,, its about to get real interesting around here real quick.

Explain please.

I think from another post that he's speculating that colgan/PCL pilot groups will merge per arbitrators decision. Plausable or busted, tune into the next episode of APC "Regional/Junior Varsity" mythbusters!!!!

WOW...and I mean wow. That would be crazy, and not good crazy but crazy crazy.

well, it would solve the pilot group unity issues, lol. maybe they could help get some better rates for the q, lol

Probably a speculative and "it depends" question, but what happens if they merge the seniority lists? How do they do it, and who flys what? Who would be the winners and the losers? What about new hires, would the companies still be hiring seperately or what?

If the rumors are correct what a huge win for the Pinnacle pilots. It was certainly long overdue.

If it is true the new legislation signed by Bush should be in play, Colgan pilots shouldn't get stapled. Finally the Colgan guys and gals would have a union. This should be a good thing for all, in theory.

How would that be a win for 9E? Not any closer to a contract are we?

Well, pcl would have 400 more pilots that go on strike if the lists are merged. That means the entire operation stops, not just the pcl side. I don't think our q400's would fly until the pilot group votes in a rate also. Just trying to be upbeat here.......

9E would have now be 420 pilots stronger, more boots on the picket line. Also, it's a win from 9E ALPA to show management they mean business and if they may not always win in arbitration.

These boots are made for walkin'. I'm excited to see what happens.

anyone know what time this conference call is? its for real or just another net rumor?

my chief pilot (SKYW) told me that 9E is about to go on strike and plan on working more in ATL.

That's what I need...working struck work....

19:00 EST/18:00 CST

Log in details are on our association website.

7pm Eastern. Details on the company message board

dude, fill us in when you hear something!

i wrote this on the other thread... after you read this tell me is there any other way the arbitrator could have ruled?? (once again we will have to see what the mec says about this, no facts yet, just rumors)




B. SCOPE

1. Except as provided in subsections B.2. and B.3., below, all present and future flying of any form performed by or for the Company will be performed by pilots on the Pilots’ System Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of the Agreement. The phrase “present and future flying of any form performed by or for the Company” includes without limitation all such flying (1) on the Company’s aircraft (whether leased or owned), or (2) under the Company’s operational control, including wet leases and contracting for other carriers or entities (government, military or commercial), but does not include dry leases to other carrier or entities.

2. Notwithstanding subsection B.1., above, the Company may assign, wet
lease or contract out present or future flying for a period of nine (9)
months during the term of this Agreement if (1) such conduct is necessary
to accomplish the needs of service of the Company, and (2) the Company
does not have sufficient aircraft and pilots to perform such flying. The
Company will notify the MEC Chairman prior to executing the
assignment, subcontracting or wet lease agreement. No pilot will be
furloughed during any assignment, subcontracting or wet leasing.

3. Notwithstanding subsection B.1., above, the Company may (1) use nonseniority list pilots in connection with aircraft transactions and (2) use
manufacturer’s pilots to currently qualify the initial cadre of instructors
and check airmen on a new aircraft type. Initial cadre means a sufficient
number of instructors and check airmen to train and qualify pilots for the
arriving fleet.


4. The Company will not create or control another airline for the purpose of transferring the assets of the Company to such airline and avoiding its obligations to the pilots of the Company under this Agreement.

No new news. Same stuff different day. :(

Edit: I take that back, we may have more negotiations in the next week or two.

hang in there my friend... where there is smoke there is fire.. i HONESTLY think we will here something in the next 2 weeks, i like how he tip toed around the scope thing saying we have been in contact with him, things are moving, things look favorable.. maybe this is why the company wants to meet with us so soon.

That would also include more guys to cross the line.:D

so what was in the conference call?

Whats your prediction? I missed the call; can you give me an update plz?

PNCL hasn't been released by the NMB, so unfortunately they can't legally strike yet, and I doubt the MEC (or anyones MEC) would authorize an illegal strike. So take what your CP says with a grain of salt.

Go go go guys. Fight for our profession! We are making progress.

Here is another point to ponder concerning the whole arbitration thing and Scope. Pinnacle managmenet has stated numerous times that they will not obey any arbitrator's decision that does not go their way. They are under the firm belief that Pinnacle Corp and Pinnacle Inc. are two seperate entities and any decision concerning Inc. or its operation by the Aribtrator has no merit or bearing on Corp. So if ALPA wins the scope arbitration they might possibly have to head back to Federal Court once again and file suit against Corp to honor the decision made by the Aribitrator concerning scope.
Any management group that on numerous occasions violates the status quo of any collective bargaining agreement they signed will not hesitate to rebuff any decision by any Aribitrator that does not favor them.

I fully support the:

ST louis Fire Department !! :D

Just food for thought.