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Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 316586)

I'll try an experiment today. I am going to take a shower and fly on a regional airline.

If I survive both I'll assume that JO is wrong - they are equally safe. If I have a shower accident but survive the flight I will have to assume he is right.

In order for this to work you need a control group. This group will have fly on regionals all over the country but not shower. :D

I've nearly slipped in the shower several times in recent memory. It's scary. I'm starting to lose sleep over it.

"It's safer to fly an airplane than it is to take a shower," said Jonathan Ornstein, chairman and CEO of Mesa Air Group, which operates regional airlines. "No fatalities last year. That speaks for itself."

It's flippant statements like this that contribute to the problem rather than fixing it. When our leaders are crooks how can we rely on any information they give? This is a whitewash load of crud that speaks for itself. At MAG we are secretly counting the days. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 316349)

And how the heck was FL410 an "unauthorized high altitude??" :confused:

I think the media just has its facts wrong (go figure). At the time of the 3701 accident, there was no reason we couldnt go up to FL410 if we were light enough. Right after 3701, the company restriced operations above FL370.

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Originally Posted by exp96 (Post 316879)

Yep - that was my conclusion. I'd like to know what the climb-capability chart said...?

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Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 316747)

In order for this to work you need a control group. This group will have fly on regionals all over the country but not shower. :D

Where do we opt-out of that experiment?!

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Originally Posted by Jakob (Post 316726)

Showers are generally WAYYYY overrated anyway...

:eek::eek:

:D

Unless you get to shower with JO's daughter.

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 316979)

Yep - that was my conclusion. I'd like to know what the climb-capability chart said...?

I dont know what 3701's TOGW was, but I know it took them 29 minutes to get to FL410. I have only been up there 2 times on ferry flights, and it took longer than 29 minutes to burn off enough fuel to make it.

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 316979)

Yep - that was my conclusion. I'd like to know what the climb-capability chart said...?

They were empty - so I'm betting the charts would say they could do it. Hell heavy our charts routinely say FL370 no problem - but it would be a brave person who would actually go there.

To re-hash an old incident, a significant part of the problem was they weren't following any reasonable climb profile, if they held 500fpm, or probably even less, they could probably have got to FL410 with a stable airspeed and lived to tell about it.

Note that the article had a picture of a go! jet (Mesa owned and operated) and did not mention the AMW accident except in the side-bar (and only the insider would know AMW was Mesa owned) and no other mention of Mesa incidents and JO was the only airline executive quoted. So I'm thinking there was a little quid pro quo going on and let's face it, the USA Today (the cartoon of newspapers) isn't exactly known for it's investigative journalism.

Funny, after an interview with Mesa I felt so dirty I had to shower......