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Three Green 02-15-2008 01:48 PM

what is up with buddy writing memos and finnegan finnegan(thats me) sending them out. Is she his secretary?

The Juice 02-15-2008 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 321093)
couldnt the alpa drive also be considered propaganda, just depends what side your on

I was talking with a lead FA in IAH yesterday who is a part of the Union negotiating team for the FA's. She was telling me things that have been coming to agreement to with Colgan, they are going to have it better than us soon...why?? Because they had a lawyer with them for starters. In one trip they had uniform allowance increased to $300 a year plus money for shoes, new vacation policy, duty hours, and scheduling conflicts fixed. Do you think Colgan will give us these things because we ask, they won't.

Do you know right now Colgan is going to be getting rid of repo and run up credit in exchange for a 77 hour guarantee? Too bad most of us down here in TX are way over guarantee every month so now we will have to move company equiptment around for free. What will happen if you bump something when moving this equiptment, you're fired!

We have nobody looking out for us, that should seem wrong to all of us.

CubCAPTAIN 02-15-2008 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 321120)
I was talking with a lead FA in IAH yesterday who is a part of the Union negotiating team for the FA's. She was telling me things that have been coming to agreement to with Colgan, they are going to have it better than us soon...why?? Because they had a lawyer with them for starters. In one trip they had uniform allowance increased to $300 a year plus money for shoes, new vacation policy, duty hours, and scheduling conflicts fixed. Do you think Colgan will give us these things because we ask, they won't.

Do you know right now Colgan is going to be getting rid of repo and run up credit in exchange for a 77 hour guarantee? Too bad most of us down here in TX are way over guarantee every month so now we will have to move company equiptment around for free. What will happen if you bump something when moving this equiptment, you're fired!

We have nobody looking out for us, that should seem wrong to all of us.


We definitely need some uniform and cellphone allowance

skidmark 02-15-2008 03:08 PM

I don't care about uniform and cell phone allowance. That is a waste. What we need is higher pay! Don't use your cell phone for the company. And uniforms are pricey, but do you really need a $300 dollar a year allowance. I don't need big brother giving me an allowance. Just give me the money and if I want new clothes I buy them.

seattlepilot 02-15-2008 03:20 PM

Why you are all upset about this? FAs demonstrated to the entire world tht they are smarter than some pyluts with STS.

flyguyniner11 02-15-2008 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 321120)
I was talking with a lead FA in IAH yesterday who is a part of the Union negotiating team for the FA's. She was telling me things that have been coming to agreement to with Colgan, they are going to have it better than us soon...why?? Because they had a lawyer with them for starters. In one trip they had uniform allowance increased to $300 a year plus money for shoes, new vacation policy, duty hours, and scheduling conflicts fixed. Do you think Colgan will give us these things because we ask, they won't.

Do you know right now Colgan is going to be getting rid of repo and run up credit in exchange for a 77 hour guarantee? Too bad most of us down here in TX are way over guarantee every month so now we will have to move company equiptment around for free. What will happen if you bump something when moving this equiptment, you're fired!

We have nobody looking out for us, that should seem wrong to all of us.

i was just making the point that propaganda goes both ways

mooney 02-16-2008 08:24 AM

I think this pilot explains our picketing actions well...




If I may set this record straight, it was the sweat and labor of every Express Airlines I, Inc., now Pinnacle Airlines, pilot that bore the "fruits" they speak of.

Those pilots made this airline run when management was, and still is, intent on doing as little as they can get away with.

Not a single employee group, from CEO, to upper management, to middle management, to general admin staff, to mechanic, to aircraft cleaner, does their job to the best of their abilities at this company. All of those employee groups come to work, punch the clock, take their breaks, do some work, and go home at exactly when the clock strikes 5 (or whatever time their shift ends) regardless if their work is complete, let alone completed well.

Pilots (and possibly Flight Attendants) are the only labor group(s) who attempt to do their job to the best of their ability. They are the only employee group who go out of their way on a daily basis to get the flight out and completed safely.

The rest of this company comes to work, does as little as they can possibly get away with, then they go home, ON TIME. No extensions, no junior manning. If their work is not complete, the get to go home anyway. If our work is not complete, we have to stay until it is done. Tell me what employee group stays at work until their job is done?

And so the fruits they speak up were of our (pilots) making. We made this airline run all these years when every one else was just coming to work.

SO........When NWA filed for bankruptcy protection, Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. had a claim against NWA in that bankruptcy for $377.5 million. Pinnacle, in an effort to get quick cash, sold a portion of that claim for cash, $283.3 million in cash. (Form 8-K on 29-Jan-2007) That cash was sent up to Pinnacle Corp.

Just 16 days later, Pinnacle Corp. announced that they had entered into a “capacity purchase agreement” with Continental Airlines utilizing “Pinnacle's wholly owned subsidiary, Colgan Air, Inc.” to operate 15 Bombardier Q-400’s. Unlike other capacity purchase agreements which a mainline company purchases the aircraft and leases it to the operator, in this one, Pinnacle Corp. is actually making the purchase (not lease) of the aircraft from Bombardier. (Form 8-K on 08 Feb-2007 )

Now, where did Pinnacle Corp. get the money to enter into a purchase agreement of 15 Q-400? From Pinnacle Inc. All the work we did over the past 9 years to make this airline successful was passed up to holding company and down to Colgan in the form of 15 74-seat aircraft.

I do not mean to take away from the hard work associated with bringing an new aircraft on the property, hard work performed by our fellow employees at Colgan, however, that opportunity wouldn’t be available if it were not for those of us over here at Pinnacle Inc

Who ever wrote that letter knows this fact dam well and choose to spin it in an effort to obscure the truth.
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