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utedrummer 02-26-2008 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by sargeanb (Post 327925)
What I don't understand is, we're all in the same business here. If those crewmembers/gate agents that give us a hard time when we're trying to JS were trying to get somewhere themselves, the vast majority of us would have no problem with it, would try to get them on board however we can. And yet they still get bent out of shape when we sit in a different seat, or wear a lanyard they don't like. Just doesn't make sense to me...then again, maybe I'm just too nice:)

Sadly there are a lot of power hungry, ego tripping jerks out there that need to feel like they are better than anybody or everybody else. It stems from a lack of self-esteem. These people, in my psychologically professional opinion, need help.:D

Flyboydan 02-26-2008 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by utedrummer (Post 327932)
Sadly there are a lot of power hungry, ego tripping jerks out there that need to feel like they are better than anybody or everybody else. It stems from a lack of self-esteem. These people, in my psychologically professional opinion, need help.:D

It's a shame when CSRs can't do what they are paid to do..Customer Service.;)

av8tr_2007 02-27-2008 11:39 AM

Yeah, if there wearing a yellow "seniority matters" lanyard, then most definately!

Nightsky 02-27-2008 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by utedrummer (Post 326584)
My sister is with SLC TSA and you wouldnt believe the problems she has with these people. They try to "sneak" all kinds of sh^t on them for the purpose of termination:eek: Rules get 'made up' as they go. They do it with their own people and they admitt (in TSA meetings that we're not supposed to know about) that they feel good about themselves if they can take a SIDA badge froma pilot OR EVER GET THEM FIRED because of it :mad:
The SLC mangagment (names Earl) has a serious power ego problem and his minions are no better. I live in SLC but not based there so I only have to commute through, I feel bad for the pilots based there. Anyway, thats just some inside info im privy to about SLC TSA. Watch out there!!

I also commute out of SLC. I also spent 4 years working in airport ops in SLC. Earl Morris I believe is who you reference, a total a$$hat. I too also overheard many, many times right from the horses mouth (TSA) that it makes their day to bust a pilot's chops. You cannot be too careful there, I know firsthand. The TSA even has the OPS people on the lookout for who to bust. Wear you badge correctly, don't leave the footprint of your plane, always ask others to see their badge. They really do target pilots. It's a fact. :(

ExperimentalAB 02-27-2008 12:56 PM

Those SLC TSA-agents need to go to fiery-hot place under the ground. Have ya'll noticed how they also tune up the sensitivity of those metal-detectors, and then smirk when a Pilot (like myself) walk through and sets the thing off?

Nightsky 02-27-2008 01:29 PM

Yep. It's the only airport where I have to take off my belt every time. Once, I stripped everything metal I could think of off of me. I still set the walk through detector off. TSA drone tells me 'I should know better, check my pockets." Well, my pockets are empty. I finally demand to get wanded as I'm now holding up the line. Lo and behold, it was the metal clip on my id badge that was setting off the walkthrough detector. For crying out loud...

flynwmn 02-27-2008 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by FlyerJosh (Post 322738)
What's your record for most jumpseaters in line?

I used to commute back and forth between DC and Grand Forks, ND for guard drill. GFK being the home to UND, there are always jumpseaters headed up there from MSP. One weekend before homecoming, I saw my record... 47 jumpseaters trying to get onto one mesaba flight at the end of the day! (Fortunately I had the foresight to purchase an ID90 for the leg up and back!)

Friday afternoons and Sunday nights in and out of GFK are the non rev express flights pilots and dependents. When I ramp out there 50 60 people on the list where come on those days.

flynwmn 02-27-2008 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by av8tr_2007 (Post 328964)
Yeah, if there wearing a yellow "seniority matters" lanyard, then most definately!

Thats why I where my favorite sports team lanyard when at the training center or flying on our main line. Also got Fogged out on my first commute on my first day.

texaspilot76 02-28-2008 04:51 AM

OK, time for me to vent here.

I tried to catch a Eagle flight to DFW this morning. The gate agent informed me the flight was wieght restricted. When everything was on, she only had 20 lbs available. Evidently the gate agent does the wieght and balance, not the crew. I asked to speak to the Captain, so she called on the radio to one of her cohorts and asked him to speak to the captain for me. He called back saying the captain could get me on. She finished what she was doing and then said she couldn't get me on because it required her changing numbers and it would delay the flight. She said she would get in big trouble if the flight was delayed. So I asked to speak to the Captain again and she went down to get him. I waved at the Captain through the window and he waved back. Next the gate agent began pulling back the jet bridge. The Captain waved at her to stop, but she wouldn't. He sort of threw his hands up like, "Oh well, sorry."

I don't know what Eagle's policy is, but I know at PSA we care about getting our jumpseaters on. If it meant burning the extra 160 lbs. of gas they would have had to burn for me to get on, we would do it. The gate agent was wrong to do that to me, and the Captain should have got out to help me. After all, he told the agent he could get me on. Guess he didn't want to delay the flight 2 minutes to let me on.

Eagle pilots are always welcome on our jumpseat, but I hope this is not a practice among Eagle to treat their jumpseaters in such a fashion.

Flyby1206 02-28-2008 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 329429)
OK, time for me to vent here.

I tried to catch a Eagle flight to DFW this morning. The gate agent informed me the flight was wieght restricted. When everything was on, she only had 20 lbs available. Evidently the gate agent does the wieght and balance, not the crew. I asked to speak to the Captain, so she called on the radio to one of her cohorts and asked him to speak to the captain for me. He called back saying the captain could get me on. She finished what she was doing and then said she couldn't get me on because it required her changing numbers and it would delay the flight. She said she would get in big trouble if the flight was delayed. So I asked to speak to the Captain again and she went down to get him. I waved at the Captain through the window and he waved back. Next the gate agent began pulling back the jet bridge. The Captain waved at her to stop, but she wouldn't. He sort of threw his hands up like, "Oh well, sorry."

I don't know what Eagle's policy is, but I know at PSA we care about getting our jumpseaters on. If it meant burning the extra 160 lbs. of gas they would have had to burn for me to get on, we would do it. The gate agent was wrong to do that to me, and the Captain should have got out to help me. After all, he told the agent he could get me on. Guess he didn't want to delay the flight 2 minutes to let me on.

Eagle pilots are always welcome on our jumpseat, but I hope this is not a practice among Eagle to treat their jumpseaters in such a fashion.

A year or two ago AE went to an electronic weight and balance system which is completely done by operations/gate agents. The flight crew has no idea or influence in the process, as opposed to the old style of filling out the load manifest. We really do try to get everyone on the plane, but many times we cant visually see the gate area to know if a jumpseater is trying to get on. Sadly, the flight crew doesnt have any control anymore. The gate agents at AE are so afraid of a flight going out 1 min late that they wont do anything to help anyone, pax included. I have no idea what the penalties would be to a gate agent if the flight was late, but knowing AMR they would probably lose a limb.


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