Jumpseating on ASA?
 

I am a newhire with ASA and I have yet to jumpseat. I would like any advice on how the process works. Do I just go up to the gate and ask if I can jumpseat? I am intrested in sitting up front and watching the crew go through the checklists and callouts. I figure I could learn a lot by just observing. I know part of my initial training will include jumpseat IOE, but I would like to do it before I get to the sim. Thanks

You can't jumpseat until you pass your checkride and get your SIC

I don't believe you can jumpseat until you pass your checkride. Even then most of the time if there's a seat in the back you'll be put there anyway.

Does that mean that I just can't jumpseat on ASA or is that any airline. Or do you mean I just can't ride up front until I pass my chechride I am already in the CASS system.

If your in CASS then you can jumpseat.

once you are in the CASS system and you have your ASA id, you CAN jumpseat on any airline where the captain lets ya. Always say thank you. Bring your certificates and passport, have had a few captains look thru them all but none have had any issue with me riding up front or in the back

At what point are you in the CASS system.. I thought it was before your checkride, as I recall my friends JSed in the gap on time between ground and sim?

Maybe not..

think it can be as short as 2 or 3 weeks to 30 days...

So I should just go to the gate with my ASA ID and ask to jumpseat and once I board ask the captain if he minds if I jumpseat. And i should have my passport and certificates handy. If there are any ASA captains on the forum how would you handle this situation? Would you welcome a newhire into the cockpit?

We were actually in the CASS system within the first week of indoc. We were just told that we could not jumpseat on any Delta or Delta Connection Carrier for 30 days, including ASA.

At Comair we were told we could not jumpseat until we passed the checkride. If the captain asks to see your certificates you will not have the CL-65 SIC on there. Non-reving though is a different story. Our travel benefits kicked in 30 days after we were hired.

I guess different airlines have different policies? I would like to hear from people that have experience with ASA in particular.

I thought in order to jumpseat, you had to be a qualified crew member. The question is, when do you become a qualified crew member? Most everyone I've talked to this about consider that to be "after" passing the check ride.

When I was in training, we were told that jumpseating prior to check ride was grounds for immediate termination.

I don't work for ASA, though.

As an airline employee, to sit in the jumpseat on a part 121 flight, you must be a part 121 certified flight crew member. Thus you must have your SIC rating for a part 121 carrier. Just because you're in CASS doesn't mean you can sit in the jumpseat. Non-revving is the 30 day requirement. AFter 30 days of employment, you can nonrev with delta

At ASA you can jumpseat as soon as you're in CASS, which is normally by the end of the first week. You can't ride on ASA or any Delta Connection flight for 30 days though. I don't know what these other guys are talking about but I jumpsat in the cockpit many times before my checkride.

You have the rest of your career to sit in the jumpseat. As a commuter I cringed when I read your post. Also I'm pretty sure you can't jumpseat until your a "qualified crewmember" which you won't be until your done training.

Same here........

I drove 68MPH on the highway the other day. Doesn't mean it was legal.....

I hate to quote regs, but here we go:
121.547 (Admission to flight deck)
(c) "No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except
(3) a CERTIFICATED airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate
(4) a CERTIFICATED airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 199 certificate holder require an airman certificate...."

You are not certified to fly the airplane until you pass your checkride. Therefore, you are not certificated for that operation.

So I guess that means that mechanics, management, and FAA/NTSB individuals without a pilot cert. cannot jumpseat. Things must have really changed in the past year.

When I started with ASA we were encouraged to jumpseat before we even got to our "CPT's". I have heard from newhires that they are telling them you cannot sit up front for 30 days after DOH. No one had said anything about that when I was in training. The whole class pretty much started jumpseating home the first weekend of indoc. on both mainline and ASA airplanes. It was really helpful experience in the way of seeing flows, techniques and just what to expect when you get out there.

I think jumpseating is really based on company policy exclusively. ASA "used" to be pretty relaxed but from what Im hearing they may be restricting it somewhat.

When I worked for jetBlue I was working in their Technical Operation dept. and there were many times in which I sat in the jumpseat and I was far from a pilot. Sometimes there were seats in the back and sometimes there weren't. Their FOM allowed guys from Tech Ops (maintenance) to sit up front at the captains discretion.

Your best bet in accurate info is to ask the chief pilots down in Ops. They are pretty good with that. Really the best guy for that kind of info is Dave over in the overflow lounge. That guy is a really go to guy. He'll always lead you in the right direction. Goodluck.

No need to get nasty. Mechanics, FAA/NTSB, ATC, they are all certified. 121.547 states fairly clearly who can sit in the jumpseat. Granted, there is a little grey area on some of the wording. But that's how just about any reg is

Not mocking you by any means but if you have an SIC type in a 757 you are hardly "certified" to fly SIC in an RJ. Seems weird but does this mean I have to get a type ride in each aircraft that I want to jumpseat in? Damn I would hate to be a commuter;). There were a few people in the newhire class that had already obtained a SIC type in an RJ as they were with another regional before ASA but we all know you have to go through all company specific training prior to flying the line.

Where does it say you have to be certificated in that type? I just see that you have to be a certificated airman. So that means I am a certificated airman with my commercial.

When I went through training last summer, people were jumpseating the first week. Then a friend of mine two classes later was told no jumpseating or nonreving for 30 days. After that they were allowed to. I don't see why not. How do you think interns for major airlines without a commercial certificate are allowed. You don't have to be 121 certified from my experience. I highly doubt they would allow it otherwise.

My thoughts exactly.

Beat me to it pilot man

If your airline allows it, then it might be a good thing. My airline specifically told us that if we JS'd before our SIC type ride, we would be immediately terminated. If you do jumpseat, be sure to use proper etiquette and don't be a tool and bump off a line pilot trying to get home.

Just show up, tell them that you are new, act dumb, and they will guide you. Not worth trying to be something you aren't. Everyone learned somehow, and usually it was just by, "showing up."

The passport is for the gate or ticket agent to verify that you're in CASS. That Captain couldn't care less about your passport. (unless it is an international flight then the Captain might want to see it)

Passport and company badge for the gate/ticket agent.
Company badge, pilot certificate and medical for the Captain. (Usually the Captain just looks at your jumpseat slip and company badge.)

Don't ever conduct yourself like the jumpseat is an entitlement. If the Captain spits in your face, just thank him for considering your request and try to catch the next one. If you get a ride, don't leave without thanking them.

I thought you were supposed to say "please sir may I have another" ?? Might help your chances :D

I started the same day with ASA as bsh and I jumpseated home on 2 seperate legs with United after 2 weeks of indoc. We were CASS approved in 4 days. Both flights were completely full and I was on the flight deck for both. Both captains knew I was in training and had no problem with it.

Cessna157...There's no way you would be required to be SIC typed or you would only be allowed to Jumpseat on your specific model aircraft.

Not try to start anything here but I always appreciate the riders who offer to grab us a coffee before we go or after we get there. And in training they incourged us at PDT to jumpseat so we can see the flows hear the calls. We where just told jump on PDT with your temp company badge and then once you get your real badge you can ride on mainline or try offline, they did remind us to be respectful of the Captians desicions. Remember JS is not a right but a perk that can be taken away.

I love seeing some of the advice non-company pilots give as if they had written the rules themselves. When I started at ASA, I was in CASS within the first week of indoc (a great perk that very few regionals give). The only stipulation is that you are NOT to J/S or non-rev on ASA, Delta, or any Delta Connector for the first 30 days, or else you will get fined ($150?). Other than that, if it is not painted up with Delta livery, feel free to attempt to jumpseat. After 30 days, you are encouraged to j/s on days off in ASA a/c to observe flows and procedures. Most captains are really cool and more than happy to help. I actually listed NRSA to fly home one weekend and the CA was standing at the desk. When he found out I was new, he told the gate agent to cancel the NRSA and put me in the JS. I have not finished training yet, but have j/s on several airlines and even more ASA flights. Have fun, go learn by doing, and use the flight bens. to make up for the low first year pay.