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Flying Ninja 01-29-2006 01:20 PM

Looking for Recommendations/Suggestions
 
Greetings,

I am seeking recommendations/suggestions from the pilot community as to what I can do to secure a first officer job with a regional airline. I have the following:

460 Total Time
101 Multi Time
Commercial Single & Multi, Instrument
DC-9 Type Rating

All comments are welcome, good or bad (or sarcastic...we all can use some laughter).

Thank you.

LDmax 01-29-2006 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Flying Ninja
460 Total Time
101 Multi Time
Commercial Single & Multi, Instrument
DC-9 Type Rating

Welcome to the forum, is that DC-9 type from the ER CAPT program? (those stats aren't very common). Have you thought about getting a CFI and teaching? With your flight time you still aren't competitive for most regional FO slots. Is the DC9 type all Sim time or did you go through an IEO in the jet?

Flying Ninja 01-29-2006 01:35 PM

Yes, it was from the ERAU CAPT program. I hope this does not generate a thread of "good luck buddy" comments from other pilots. The DC-9 was all in the Level D simulator and it does carry a PIC restriction on my certificate. Thank you for your suggestion on the CFI option, although I'm pretty dry these days to pay for that additional training. You said "most FO slots" which to me seem to indicate there are options?

rickair7777 01-29-2006 03:30 PM

Try Mesa, they are hard up right now. If you don't like it, you'll be competetive for any regional after 6-12 months there. I'd also recomend Eagle, but I think they are rigid on total time. I suspect Mesa might let you slide. If you can afford Mesa's PACE program, that would take 4-6 months since you have COMM ME, and would have an 80-90% success rate. If not, 600 hours is pretty easy to come by as a CFI.

CFI & CFII Cost: Approx $3,500, then you get some income back.
C-152 Rental: 600h * $50 = $30,000
PACE Program: About $12-$14,000

If you really want to fly, take out a loan and get on with it. You're losin' seniority while you dick around on the internet...go fly! Once you get an airline job, then you can sit reserve and get paid to surf the net...what do you think I'm doing?

dogpilot 01-29-2006 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Flying Ninja
Yes, it was from the ERAU CAPT program. I hope this does not generate a thread of "good luck buddy" comments from other pilots. The DC-9 was all in the Level D simulator and it does carry a PIC restriction on my certificate. Thank you for your suggestion on the CFI option, although I'm pretty dry these days to pay for that additional training. You said "most FO slots" which to me seem to indicate there are options?

I thought those places had airline agreements or something to help the graduates find jobs. That's a chunk of change, I hear, for nothing, not a real PR for anyone interested, "pay us a ton of money and you get nothing". Why not go the cfi route and follow the trend? If they didn't get you a job what chance do you think you have on your own with such low time?

de727ups 01-29-2006 06:22 PM

Wow. A Capt guy with balls enough to post here. That's impressive. I can't believe they just leave you on the street with those times, no CFI, and coming to an airline pilot forum looking for advice on a regional job with 460 hours total time.

To answer your question, though. Cogan likes Gulfstream guys so you might have a shot there. ASA tends to hire low time guys from FSA.

Are you still glad you did Capt?

WEACLRS 01-29-2006 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Flying Ninja
Greetings,

I am seeking recommendations/suggestions from the pilot community as to what I can do to secure a first officer job with a regional airline. I have the following:

460 Total Time
101 Multi Time
Commercial Single & Multi, Instrument
DC-9 Type Rating

All comments are welcome, good or bad (or sarcastic...we all can use some laughter).

Thank you.


Go get the CFI, CFII, and if possible MEI. Teach. You need another 400 hours, min. Mesa might take you, but you would have to blow them away in the interview. They have a bunch of people with your hours and experience from their PACE progam and those guys get preference. I agree with the others here. Get with it. You are losing senority. 800 hours, 100 multi will get you hired, especially out of ER. Maybe even 600 hours.

WEACLRS 01-29-2006 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by de727ups
Wow. A Capt guy with balls enough to post here. That's impressive. I can't believe they just leave you on the street with those times, no CFI, and coming to an airline pilot forum looking for advice on a regional job with 460 hours total time.

To answer your question, though. Cogan likes Gulfstream guys so you might have a shot there. ASA tends to hire low time guys from FSA.

Are you still glad you did Capt?

Colgan won't take or interview you with 460 hours. You will need about 800 min right now. A couple of months though, who knows!

de727ups 01-30-2006 06:58 AM

"Colgan won't take or interview you with 460 hours."

Even if you have a MD90 type rating? What's this world coming to...

Thanks for the correction, though. Also, the whole point of Capt is to enter the industry quickly, with low time, and without having to CFI. If he wanted to instruct, he wouldn't have done Capt.

rickair7777 01-30-2006 07:44 AM

Try not to bust the guy's balls too much...all those Zero-to-Hero airline pilot factories do agreat job of lying...er...marketing to prospective students who don't know any better. About once a month some kid's Mom or dad asks me about ERAU or some other program. I give them the real story, but they always seem sceptical about do-it-yourself freelance aviation at the local FBO.

I myself tried one of the fast track programs for a short while. But I figured out what they were really all about after 9/11 when they started blowing sunshine up our butts saying that hiring would rebound in 3 months...I bailed (WITH my money) and went to work as a CFI. Others weren't as lucky $$$


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