C-Series
 

Any idea who will be the US launch customer?

NWA, you heard it here first ;)

That make sense. A nice replacment for the 9's. I sure do hope the C-Series dont end up at any regional...

It very well might be the replacement for the -9 and it wont go to a regional. IMHO

I heard Chuck is gonna pick up a few... ;)

The regionals wont be able to fly them because of scope clauses. An aircraft with 130 seats belongs at a major. Period.

Why doesn't NWA paint the bottom couple feet of the tail red?

I could see AA picking these up as a replacement for the 80. Its clear that they need new birds and if they wanted the 737 to do the job they would have already put some orders in, IMHO

AA already has a plan in place to replace all 80's with 737's.

damn looks like an E-190......

looks like a mini-752......

It will be interesting to observe Boeing's response to this...

I've always wondered that too. Anyone know? I think Embraer is courting NWA very hard for the 190/195. It will be interesting to see who wins.

I think that if this merger buzz fizzles, then maybe United?

The C-series is supposed to seat 100-149 people, considerably bigger than the 190/195 series...guess it depends how big they feel they need, and if they want it before 2013.

Also the C-series will have the new geared turbo-fan engine from P&W...which is supposed to be more fuel efficient. I wonder if Embraer will offer the engine as an option when it goes online in 2012.

Id put my money on NWA going 190/195 as well. Probably wouldnt be too hard for them to steal the compass manuals/training program etc...

Then again, it will probably come down to the best deal. And bombardier is probably gonna give some nice incentives to get this thing in the air. So who knows.

is there a reason why boeing and airbus arent trying to get this market? I know they are working on the 787 and the a350 or whatever airbus is going to call their 787 version but they have a ton of clout with the majors. It wouldnt be that hard for them to draw up and build a competitive 100 to 150 seat jet to replace all the old dc9/md80/734-5's out there.

I think the A320 & 737-700/800/900 are good for now..

The next aircraft of that size we'll see is the new 737 made with the 787 technology.

From what i was told by the guys here at NWA, they dont want the E-190 because it is already out of date as far as they are concerned. They cant justify spending big money like that on old technology when the C-series is supposed to be 35-45% more efficient than the Ejet. FWIW

Yeah, the C-series is suppoed to incorporate some bleeding-edge technology...including geared turbofans. I think a 40% efficiency gains might not be unrealistic.

??? Boeing is already entrenched in that market...the low-end 737 models have always seated in the low-hundreds. Airbus has produced a few short buses (A319/A318).

The question is going to be how will Boeing react to an RJ maker who intrudes on their market. The C-series has not been officially launched yet, so there has been no reaction from Boeing, but I'm sure they have a plan.

Bombardier might get squashed like a bug. But I have to admit they are playing it very smart by emphasizing high-tech features...they might succeed by beating the next-gen Boeing/Airbus narrowbodies to market.

It was just officially announced that they will go into production.
http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?.../3_8/3_8_1.jsp

Anything over 70 seats should be at a major...Better yet make that 50 seats. Everyone would benifit if this was the case....except for maybe the profit margins of the majors!

The C-Series will sell... along with the NG NG 737 (sorry but don't know what they'll call it yet). Airbus will come out with a newer A320 (using the A350 technology). All 3 will compete. Who would have thought the A320 would have been a success against the best selling airliner ever?? It's the best market out there (130-150 seaters).

Truth!

Let's just hope the Major pilots don't consider it a "little jet" and decide they don't want to fly it.

Hopefully they have wised up to their previous failings of scope implementation and understand that they NEED to fly the damn thing to better the profession.

No, I don't think so. Last I heard was that management had authorized offering the C-series. But that's different from a launch. You don't just start manufacturing airliners, put them in cold stoarage, and hope somebody will buy them...you need a customer first. I think they may be close to working out a deal or two, but nothing has been announced yet.

According to our Bombardier factory instructor NWA has been all over them to get the C-series going as the replacement for the DC-9s.... We shall see but based on that they would be a good guess for a launch customer.

NWA might be a sufficiently large buyer to justify a single-customer launch...bombardier needs at least 50 orders, preferably closer to 100.

I think the NWA will be the launching customer. NWA already has options for any Bombardier aircraft and with the oil price skyrocketing, both DC9s and even CRJ900s are no longer economically attractive.

C series will be flown by Mainline NWA pilots due to the scope clause. NWA already has experiences with the Embraer 175s and the feedback is not that great. It's even less economical to run than CRJ900s and has electronic maintenance issues. A maintenance tech told me they have a nick name for E175s, they call them E180s for making a 180 turn to return to the gate soon after pushback. So, NWA is likely to go with the C series as a DC9 replacement.

That's what the folks at jetBlue were calling the E-190 until they got the various bugs fixed. Seems like the aircraft has improved it's reliability drastically, at least at jetBlue.

Kevin K

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http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener.../CSER02258.xml

Its going come out, just watch ;)

Why on the captains side is the symbol on the tail pointing to the northwest while the FO's side is pointing to the northeast. Story I heard was it looked better that way and was symmetrical side to side. Feel free to comment, flame, whatever:eek:

The symbol is always pointing forward. Kinda like how on the right side of a plane the American flag has the stars on the right side...