Yes, because Jerry is really going to kick us to the curb :confused: How does that make any sense?? If the poop hits the fan bad, we'll see furloughs, not layoffs.

It's a bit difficult to follow exactly what you're trying to say. You claim that SkyWest furloughed 6 ?

Did these employees already have their airplane ride completed (not just sim?). I ask because they wouldn't be covered by our (non-union) contract until that fateful day.

I believe at Delta, according to a former SkyWest guy who is a new hire there, he wouldn't be furloughed, but canned, until he completed 400 hours or 6 months (whichever is first) of probation.

I did see a -900 parked in the weeds today at SLC, with a handful of -200's and a -120. I'm sure the furlough thing came up on 9/11, as well as other tough times. SkyWest just hasn't done it yet, but like has been pointed out, it took Delta 60 years to pop that cherry. We've only been around 35 ;)

I personally would take a voluntary vacation, 'cuz let's face it, most of us should be able to make more money at virtually any job, than an F/O at any regional carrier.

For the folks new to SkyWest, just know that any actual furlough would be an extremely tough decision by folks who do pride themselves on doing the right thing for more than three decades. Smart money decisions have to be made, and a furlough certainly is always on the table. But it won't be a willy nilly choice. And I doubt anything would happen until this summer, to see whether loads and flying pick up as they traditionally do.

Relax until then. With a major election coming up, multiple huge airline mergers, record oil prices, screwed up financial market, but still high load factors, anything can happen.

I vote for raising ticket prices ! :eek:

Yah, you and I, and virtually every SkyWest pilot knows we're not gunna get canned.

The company offered voluntary unpaid leaves to the flight attendants this week.

Seems to me you said it right here. Or did you mean to use the word ever? Also, not quite sure if you actually mean me offense or not?

(If you can't quite figure it out, now I'm just picking on you. Sorry if it was too heavy handed.:))

You must have been English major. :p :D

Probation at Delta is 400 hours of block time or 12 months which ever occurs first. Also probationary pilots are not "canned" in the event of a furlough. I seriously doubt a Delta pilot, new hire or otherwise, would not be aware of this. Not only were all of the post 9/11 furloughs still on probation offered recall, but were also given longevity credit for time spent on furlough. Thus a 2001 hire returned from furlough at 7th year pay.

Nah, just an anal type A+ pilot. You know, the usual. Although it may also be a side effect of trying to teach an eight year old how to proofread what he writes.

Thanks for clarifying. It's entirely possible that he does know, and I misunderstood.

He might have meant in the event of a strike. A probationary pilot participating in a job action would not be initially protected. However, the back to work agreement will usually have language reinstating probationary pilots that honored the strike.

What Deez said. The furlough plug hadn't even finished IOE when he was shown the door. Yet he got all the contractual rights every other pilot got, plus the fact that EVERY pilot at DAL knows his name and every furloughee knows exactly how many numbers they are from him.

Asking people to go on voluntary leave is one of many signs of an impending furlough. It's Airline Business Management 101.

LOL! What wisdom! Where were you on the XJT thread, you know the one, where they are asking for 300 pilots to take voluntary leave.

It is only for april and only for 25 F/As total.

The whole furlough garbage is just that, Garbage. We are still running both a bro newhire and an upgrade class in april and are still adding 7 airplanes worth of midwest flying in the next 2 months.

You have problem with Chinese people? ;)

When does the contract apply to a Delta pilot.

First day of indoc?

End of training? IOE ?

wow, you didn't understand what i said? OK, i will repeat and clarify i guess. i personally know 6 guys that either finished training/ioe/checkrides and were sent packing after 9/11. were there more?? don't know. like i said i personally only knew of 6 guys. they came back to the school they left to instruct again (that is how i know them). and they took a few of my students. now how could i know there were exactly 6 that came back. well i was a dispatcher at the flight school and was incharge of setting up students with instructors.


hmm

Not sure I understand the question. The short answer is day one. If it's probation that you're asking about. A simplified explanation of probation would be an initial period of time after you get hired in which it's easier for the company to get buyer's remorse and solve the problem by firing you. It gets more difficult for them to do so after probation. The provisions of the PWA apply to you day one.

Yeah, just tell that to the pilots that took LOAs at Chautauqua in fall of 2005...:rolleyes:

Rare case. Look at many legacies, and LCCs. Let's use ATA for an example.

Roger that. That's pretty good. When I was an ATC'er, the contract didn't apply, nor could you be a union member, while still in training in OKC (about 2 to 3 months). The first day you showed up at your domicile (facility), you were fair game to become a union member (open shop). Probation started from hire date, for one year.

SkyWest is similar. Contract provisions don't apply until you've completed training, in effect, day one of IOE. Probation is similar to above, one year from hire date.

Not at all.:D Ya'll got some tasty food too!

300? LOL!

Not quite..

Question! Lets suppose skywest does furlough say the bottom 100 pilots on the seniority list(this would include me) would it be bottom 100 or would it be bottom100 rj guys seeing as we are so short on the bro. Just a question, a hypothetical, not looking for "It'll never happen"

At a non-union shop, management has no furlough guidelines it's required to follow as outlined in a CBA. They could furlough whoever they found worthy, in any order, on any aircraft.

Unless you missed it, here's the thread.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=23347

Don't lesson to this, SKW will do as they've ALWAYS done and stick to their policies. The last on the list will be the first one out and the most senior furloughee will get the first call to come back.

I've had contact with our management about the number of COLA's needed and it's nowhere near 300. Get your facts straight.

So much trust in management... So much trust.

Get my facts straight? Did you even open the link above? Who started it? Wasn't me.

Get a clue bud. :confused:

yes, just like you trust your management when they say furlough is nowhere near 300, and you will make money on branded with a 70% load factor even with $106 oil. That koolaide over there at XJET must have made some of you lose common sense...

Another example of long term memory problems, you and I have discussed this before but you continue to forget.

tit for tat flamebait. no point in this.