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texaspilot76 04-02-2008 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 353595)
Air Wisconsin's owners have something like 2M+ shares of LCC as well as a seat on the LCC BoD. Or, they did not too long ago...

Nobody is SAFE but my guess is AWAC is safer than Chautauqua (NOT REPUBLIC) & TSA, and maybe even Mesa and PSA.

AWAC would go before PSA ever does. We are wholly owned and operate cheaper than AWAC. The only reason AWAC has a piece of the pie is because they helped bail out Airways during BK.

thepotato232 04-02-2008 06:18 PM

The RW side seems to be fairly safe - if anything, mainline is using the 170s to fill up the holes in their patchwork schedules. Seeing as RAH owns as much stock in US Air as they do, I would assume RAH/CHQ are relatively safe. I'd be only slightly more worried about PSA, but Comair has shown us all that being wholly owned by mainline != get out of jail free card. Piedmont is filling their niche too well to run into any real problems. Anyone else is fair game.

ExperimentalAB 04-02-2008 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 354077)
AWAC would go before PSA ever does. We are wholly owned and operate cheaper than AWAC. The only reason AWAC has a piece of the pie is because they helped bail out Airways during BK.

I wouldn't put too much stock in that...and from my understanding, wholly-owned's are fairly easy to sweep under the rug. I think AWAC is in a very good position, with their only potential downfall being the blatant lack of 50+ seat equipment. I'd still say, however, that they're a safe bet.

ExperimentalAB 04-02-2008 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by thepotato232 (Post 354080)
The RW side seems to be fairly safe - if anything, mainline is using the 170s to fill up the holes in their patchwork schedules. Seeing as RAH owns as much stock in US Air as they do, I would assume RAH/CHQ are relatively safe. I'd be only slightly more worried about PSA, but Comair has shown us all that being wholly owned by mainline != get out of jail free card. Piedmont is filling their niche too well to run into any real problems. Anyone else is fair game.

Are PDT's loads anywhere near sufficient to even consider the Q4? I've jumpseated on them several times when everyone else was full, and always had half the plane to myself...

ToiletDuck 04-02-2008 06:23 PM

When it comes to RAH I don't feel threatened. Still growing and busting at the seems on the CHQ side of things. I was called today for overtime as a matter of fact. Flew this past trip with a reserve CA they had to DHD in from IND because we still need more.

BoilerUP 04-02-2008 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 354077)
AWAC would go before PSA ever does. We are wholly owned and operate cheaper than AWAC. The only reason AWAC has a piece of the pie is because they helped bail out Airways during BK.

And that's the reason they're "safer" than PSA...

Just ask Comair how being wholly owned and operating cheaper than their non-WO competition is working out for them...

saab2000 04-02-2008 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 353621)
Mesa's contract is up in 2012. DP has stated publicly that he would like to get rid of them asap. The only thing that might save mesa is those 38 900's they own.

They are purportedly not meeting performance requirements and their contract may be in jeapordy.

We'll see.

bassslayer 04-02-2008 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 354121)
And that's the reason they're "safer" than PSA...

Just ask Comair how being wholly owned and operating cheaper than their non-WO competition is working out for them...

True but heres the difference. Airways has stated that are committed to owning and operating PSA and Piedmont. That in itself doesn't mean much but, they have also stated that their goal is for the wholly owns to do 50% of the regional feed in the coming years. Currently, PSA and Piedmont combined do approx. 18%. I forsee more and larger airplanes for PSA and Piedmont in the future. When is anyones guess. I believe it's a few years off. PSA has leases on the 200's until 2012 I think, and our contract is up in 2011 amendable in 2009. These factors will play into it. I think Mesa's contract with America West is up in 2011 as well. We all know what's going to happen the minute that's up. Wouldn't be surprised if that flying goes to PSA and/or Republic.

saab2000 04-02-2008 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 354121)
And that's the reason they're "safer" than PSA...

Just ask Comair how being wholly owned and operating cheaper than their non-WO competition is working out for them...

AWAC owns part of US Airways. Or at least the owners of AWAC do.

US Airways is a part of AWAC, not the other way 'round.... ;)

That said, anything is possible.

Me? I just do my job as well as I can. It's all I can do.

Airdale 04-02-2008 09:03 PM

I think any company operating 50 seaters could see reduction.


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