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gwood 03-18-2008 04:11 PM

EFB's and Republic
 
Hey I was wondering if anybody knows if Republic has EFB's, From what I understand the shuttle side has them, or is getting them, or something. I was also wondering if anybody has any tips on there interviews, I got one coming up at the end of the month. Also I really want the 170 on the shuttle side so I can be Chicago based, but I am only 20 years old with 1100 total time and around 850 121 turbine time, just kinda wondering if being only 20 is gona hurt me any.
Thanks

diamnd15 03-18-2008 04:20 PM

shouldn't hurt you. i'm 20 and have been at expressjet over for over a year, also i was just talking to the hr lady at republic and she hasn't gotten back to me about the 23 age rule on the 170.

gearmaid 03-18-2008 04:38 PM

I don't think we actually have EFBs on property yet (someone correct me if I'm wrong). But Shuttle is supposed to be the first to get them. If you already have 850 turbine 121 you should be fine regardless of age. (insert "oh my god why are you at an airline when you are that young, go to college and have fun, you are too immature to fly at an airline" bull**** here)

gwood 03-18-2008 04:51 PM

yea I wish now that I would have gone to college, all my friends are having fun and im stuck at mesa on the beech suppose to be living the dream, yea whatever its more like living the nightmare, oh well. I plan on starting on my BA degree this fall online, but I want to get on with a good regional first. Thats another ?, anybody got any good ideas on the best degree to get that kinda easy?

boilerpilot 03-18-2008 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by gwood (Post 343494)
Thats another ?, anybody got any good ideas on the best degree to get that kinda easy?

That'll look great on the ol' resume.

gearmaid 03-18-2008 04:59 PM

Haha you sound like me two years ago. 20 at Mesa wondering what the hell I did with my life. I moved on to Chautauqua and things are better... not perfect... but night and day compared to Mesa. I'm finishing up my degree online at Embry Riddle. Its an ok program if you are already at the airlines, they will even give you credit for your ratings. http://www.erau.edu/ec/alldegrees.html I'm sure there are tons of guys that will say get a degree outside of aviation, which you might want to consider. This is just one option.

If I had to do it all over again I probably would have still came to the airlines when I did, I just wouldn't have went to Mesa. PM me if you have anymore questions.

Stryker 03-18-2008 05:01 PM

dont start a degree thats "easy"... get somethings that practical. No matter how good the economy is you should always have a backup plan that will allow you to MAINTAIN your quality of life, not make it suffer cause you got a degree in underwater basketweaving....

Senior Skipper 03-18-2008 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by gwood (Post 343494)
yea I wish now that I would have gone to college, all my friends are having fun and im stuck at mesa on the beech suppose to be living the dream, yea whatever its more like living the nightmare, oh well. I plan on starting on my BA degree this fall online, but I want to get on with a good regional first. Thats another ?, anybody got any good ideas on the best degree to get that kinda easy?

I think we should pin this post at the top of the forum.

BlueMoon 03-18-2008 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 343505)
dont start a degree thats "easy"... get somethings that practical. No matter how good the economy is you should always have a backup plan that will allow you to MAINTAIN your quality of life, not make it suffer cause you got a degree in underwater basketweaving....

more importantly get a degree in something that interests you. You will be more likely to stay "current" and somewhat active on a subject matter if you care about it. A degree will be close to useless if you aren't active in that field for 10 years. Things in the world change quick and you will forget what you learn if you never use it.

saabguy493 03-18-2008 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by diamnd15 (Post 343476)
shouldn't hurt you. i'm 20 and have been at expressjet over for over a year, also i was just talking to the hr lady at republic and she hasn't gotten back to me about the 23 age rule on the 170.

NO MORE AGE 23 RULE!!! I was in the 170 class and i am 22

Pilotpip 03-18-2008 07:57 PM

Shuttle is getting EFB. When we do is anybody's guess. I've heard rumblings about this summer.

Why would anybody want to go into this industry at that age? Jesus, go live a little. Must suck not being able to have a drink with the crew on a long overnight.

ExperimentalAB 03-18-2008 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 343623)
Shuttle is getting EFB. When we do is anybody's guess. I've heard rumblings about this summer.

[B]Why would anybody want to go into this industry at that age? Jesus, go live a little. Must suck not being able to have a drink with the crew on a long overnight.

Because they don't know yet...but they will certainly find out! There is so much more to life than flying an RJ...err button-pushing and babysitting an Autopilot :rolleyes:

edited also to say: No dog in this fight - but I haven't heard a thing about EFB's from my buddies there. Now we're back on Topic ;)

usmc-sgt 03-18-2008 08:11 PM

Lets not stray from the topic at hand here folks. We have gone from EFBs at Republic to age limitations on the 170 and then onto being too young in general.

Holy Toledo 03-18-2008 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 343631)
Because they don't know yet...but they will certainly find out! There is so much more to life than flying an RJ...err button-pushing and babysitting an Autopilot :rolleyes:

edited also to say: No dog in this fight - but I haven't heard a thing about EFB's from my buddies there. Now we're back on Topic ;)

The design and placement has been finalized, and the production model is being made. Once the STC is obtained, they will install it in one airplane for a short test period.

Once local FAA approves procedure and policy regarding it, it will go fleet wide at Shuttle. Once Shuttle starts going fleet wide then Republic will install it's first unit.

There will be a period where the two systems will be run parallel with the Jepps, and then the jepps will go away and the EFB's will be primary.

Goal is to be paperless (all manuals) at both carriers by next summer.

XtremeF150 03-18-2008 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Holy Toledo (Post 343645)
The design and placement has been finalized, and the production model is being made. Once the STC is obtained, they will install it in one airplane for a short test period.

Once local FAA approves procedure and policy regarding it, it will go fleet wide at Shuttle. Once Shuttle starts going fleet wide then Republic will install it's first unit.

There will be a period where the two systems will be run parallel with the Jepps, and then the jepps will go away and the EFB's will be primary.

Goal is to be paperless (all manuals) at both carriers by next summer.

Just curious if you mean they are designing the EFB for you guys...Compass already has them in several of their 175's.

jacksjj 03-19-2008 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Holy Toledo (Post 343645)
The design and placement has been finalized, and the production model is being made. Once the STC is obtained, they will install it in one airplane for a short test period.

Once local FAA approves procedure and policy regarding it, it will go fleet wide at Shuttle. Once Shuttle starts going fleet wide then Republic will install it's first unit.

There will be a period where the two systems will be run parallel with the Jepps, and then the jepps will go away and the EFB's will be primary.

Goal is to be paperless (all manuals) at both carriers by next summer.

Yeah, what he said...

btwissel 03-19-2008 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 343649)
Just curious if you mean they are designing the EFB for you guys...Compass already has them in several of their 175's.

according to the memo sent out to us, it's DAC intl. that's doing the EFBs. it's an off the shelf system, and since shuttle is the smaller of the 2 170 certs, we're getting to play guinea pig with them. just like W&B over the ACARS.

aewanabe 03-19-2008 09:28 AM

Interesting that RAH is looking so far forward with the EFBs. It's not been that long since I left Chautauqua (8 mos now) for JB's E190 right seat, and have some observations. We're quasi-EFB, in that our FOM, AFM, and all other company manuals are on company-issued laptops. We carry paper Jepps, however. (The company experimented with LIDO for the purpose of going paper-less and that was a disaster, evidently). I'm actually a big fan of paper Jepps, probably because it's what I'm used to. However, at JB I carry ONE 2-inch binder plus a trip book; when I left CHQ I had 3 2-inchers, plus an enroute chart-holder, plus a trip book. If you guys are still carrying that much crap then EFB for the charts probably makes more sense.

Just curious how you are doing W/B via ACARS; I recently rode up-front on a RW E170 and it was still all whiz-wheel and paper. At JB I do the W/B on the laptop and then the CA sends the CG, weights, etc. to dispatch over the ACARS. Is it something similar to that?

freeflyer14 03-19-2008 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by aewanabe (Post 343870)
Interesting that RAH is looking so far forward with the EFBs. It's not been that long since I left Chautauqua (8 mos now) for JB's E190 right seat, and have some observations. We're quasi-EFB, in that our FOM, AFM, and all other company manuals are on company-issued laptops. We carry paper Jepps, however. (The company experimented with LIDO for the purpose of going paper-less and that was a disaster, evidently). I'm actually a big fan of paper Jepps, probably because it's what I'm used to. However, at JB I carry ONE 2-inch binder plus a trip book; when I left CHQ I had 3 2-inchers, plus an enroute chart-holder, plus a trip book. If you guys are still carrying that much crap then EFB for the charts probably makes more sense.

Just curious how you are doing W/B via ACARS; I recently rode up-front on a RW E170 and it was still all whiz-wheel and paper. At JB I do the W/B on the laptop and then the CA sends the CG, weights, etc. to dispatch over the ACARS. Is it something similar to that?

Yes, we still have to carry that many Jepp binders and crap, it takes up a ton of room and weighs a ton. I have 2 full size jepp binders and a 1in binder completely full. We also have to carry the GOM (a little larger than a 2inch jepp binder) and the aircraft POH (the same size as a full 2inch jepp binder). Why the have never been able to just put a POH in the airplane is beyond me... This EFB will eventually replace all of those manuals, resulting in a truely paperless system. I believe at first however it will be for jepp charts only. It will be very nice and save a ton of weight, we will eventually not even need a flight kit, I am thinking of just getting some kind of small laptop bag to carry the stuff you'd normally have with you in your flight kit (headset, magazines, flashlight, gum, etc etc)

The W&B is done through the datalink page of the MCDU (acars). It has a section for takeoff performance where you input the departure runways and weather conditions, and a loading page where you enter the number of bags and the passenger count in each section. Once you put this stuff in, it sends back your W&B and takeoff speeds within about 30 seconds (I believe this does not actually go to our dispatch but rather to an automated computer program). For landing it also figures out your speeds and landing distances, both factored and unfactored.

Holy Toledo 03-19-2008 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 343649)
Just curious if you mean they are designing the EFB for you guys...Compass already has them in several of their 175's.

We aren't using the same unit as Compass.

This one is being designed by a company called DAC as the previous poster said.

Holy Toledo 03-19-2008 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by aewanabe (Post 343870)
Just curious how you are doing W/B via ACARS; I recently rode up-front on a RW E170 and it was still all whiz-wheel and paper. At JB I do the W/B on the laptop and then the CA sends the CG, weights, etc. to dispatch over the ACARS. Is it something similar to that?

It's an intgerated EPIC module. It transmits data via ACARS to the Aerodata servers and gets a response in 60-90 seconds. When fully implemented it will be the source for all T/O data, and W&B information.

Same system that Frontier and AirTran uses.

aewanabe 03-19-2008 06:53 PM

Thanks for the info guys. By contrast, we actually complete the W/B on the laptops; the module takes inputs for bags, pax, weather, rw/sid etc and returns with V-Speeds, Flap and Trim Setting, Flex Temp etc. The Captain sends this info as an ACARS report as info-only to our SOC; every time I plug into JetBlue's computer network the info is down-loaded from my computer to a company server. Always interesting to learn how different companies skin the same cat.

powrful1 03-20-2008 11:17 AM

GWood still flying the Beech Nasty at AirMudDust...in my Oct class we had some youngins so no worries about age, from what I have been told Republic will be testing the W&B and it is already on 2 aircraft eventhough no info has been sent out yet....who knows I just can't wait to be rockin the EFB...the 45# brick of a bag I carry is getting old. Being a Nebraska rat I would have though Denver would have been more appealing than the Windy City...ah well

gwood 03-20-2008 02:43 PM

More like AIRBIGMESS, but yea, it sucks. Yea I really wanted Denver but from what I understand its pretty senior. I what to go where I can get a line pretty fast and still have a easy commute. How do you know im from nebraska?

cbire880 03-20-2008 04:56 PM

I have flown one RW airplane that had the W&B module installed.

Holy Toledo 03-21-2008 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 345096)
I have flown one RW airplane that had the W&B module installed.

There are 3 in the system until testing is complete.

btwissel 03-22-2008 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Holy Toledo (Post 345754)
There are 3 in the system until testing is complete.

huh. every shuttle 170 with the new epic load has the W&B stuff


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