I have a friend who came up through UND several years ago. When I first met him, he wanted to get checked out to instruct in a 152. The adjustment was quick but not pretty at first. That's when I found out all he had flown was Piper products. At the FBO, I flew Cessnas, Pipers, Mooneys, an Aero Commander and an Aeronca Sedan. There is value in that and it's something that your typical UNDer doesn't experience.

Wow what was this thread about again? ....

lol, yeah... about that - hopefully the pool will be empty and hiring in full swing by the time I've done my time at my current cargo gig.. :D I guess I'll be enjoying my weekends off for now.:cool:

Oh.. my.. God!
Lets all sing Kum Bi Yah!!!


UND is not that expensive. I spent an average $4,500 year on tuition.


Air Force Academy is one of the toughest, a lot more than UND and Riddle. But with your argument about GA training being the same as a 121 then it should be equal to those two as well.

JetJock, where did you do all your training?
I have done 141 and GA. Flight instructed in LA airspace, outside the "UND bubble" and flew 50 hours around the entire Midwest in a twin to gain some good practical experience when I left UND. If you never went to UND, what makes you an expert on its training there. All the GA stuff I've done was a cake walk compared to UND training.

A good thing about UND is they set you straight on following policy and procedures, which is good training for someone wanting to work at the airlines. I remember some guys that had done GA before coming to UND and they whined about why they had to follow policies all the time. Now not all of them were like that. My good friend since freshman year had over 200 hours GA before he came to UND, and he is probably the best pilot I know. He became that good because of the combination of the two.

The point I am trying to make is it is good to have experience with all aspects of the industry. UND made me study hard and follow policies and procedures, while the GA flying gave me some really good real world experience. I'm very glad I didn't instruct at UND because I got out of the bubble and became a much better pilot because of it. But to say that someone who just had only GA flying is automatically the same experience as a 121 grad is lying to yourself.

I ask you again, have you done 121? and if so where?

wow, ignorance. Have you done both? You sound like a person who just wants to justify why everything he does is the best. And no don't turn this on me like I am just saying UND is the best. I'm saying the training there is harder and more advanced than any GA flying I've done.

It is good value. I got a lot better once I started flying multiple makes and models when I was flight instructing.
by the way, we fly SR-20's and Barons there. SR-20 is a pretty fun one.

yeah they are. fast planes! snappy too. I enjoyed flying those.

/riddler
//don't regret it.
///it was a blast.

Than any GA flying YOU have done. You did all of an MEI, which is the easiest rating to get no matter where you go. I have done both. Ignorance? I think not.

You kidding me.
I guess flight instructing in LA doesn't count as GA flying?
You a so blinded by what you did that you think it is the best.

WOW!

You are so blinded by being a moron...
Do they teach grammar at UND? If so, you surly failed that class!

this is really good, keep talking. Your really making yourself look good here.
WOW!!!!!

Im glad the fractionals dont hire the 200hr wonders right out of UND. I dont know how someone flys with you for four days.

Hum.... Looks like in 2006 /7 tuition room and board was about 12 or 13 grand a year... and under the aviation program I saw at least 40-50 grand in aviation course.....

none the less I think what we have been trying to say is that there are NO absolutes. JUST because you think it was harder than someone who used their local FBO doesnt mean everyone would. Further more using your thought process I could "claim" that my training both in military flight school and aircraft specific training in the military MUST be harder than any GA, University or airline training.....problem is that would just be so much hot air. Was the training I got world class... YES..... was it better than that available in other places.... maybe...maybe not......more importantly, having trained in GA environments, and Airline 121 programs on two occasions and being military trained, all I will say is that military training is different. The main difference being you cant just keeping trying to get it... at some point usually 3 bad rides...you were gone in those days. There was no buying more time to "get it" or taking the class again.... it was a finite schedule. Get it in the time alloted or wash out. That in my mind is the only difference. Not better or necessarily even harder...just different. I know several DAMN good pilots who never got their military wings over things they just needed a bit more time on.... but thats just life.

I know pilots for EVERY possible background and they ALL ( military included ) produce guys that shouldnt be flying.... and those no one wants to fly with....

Maybe because I'm not a punk who acts like I'm the best because I'm from UND. Maybe because I'm pretty laid back and enjoy pretty much every Captain I fly with and don't act like I'm better than him.

The funny thing about some of you guys, is you really seem upset that some people may have gone to a good 121 school and got somewhere because of it. Sounds like a little jealousy, which is really lame.

When I was in training, at XJT, I made a lot of friends from pretty much every type of flying, and I remember we would crack on the guys from UND and others that thought they were God. But the most annoying punk was the one who was 21 and had done GA training and no flight instructing and thought flight instructors and women pilots suck. While flight instructors and guys whose moms and wifes flew were sitting right by him. He made a lot of friends quick. Not to mention his daddy was a CAL captain.

This place is starting to sound like FI!!

You can rent a decent room in Grand Forks for $300/month, and tuition for in state isn't probably more than $6,000-$7,000 a year right now. That is pretty cheap. Flight Training costs are a wash since they are relative everywhere, roughly.

HAHA! Not quite enough name calling...

Its not jealousy...Its getting old haveing to listen to you guys talk like your aviation Gods because mommy and daddy paid for you to take a lot of worthless classes at these cookie cutter schools. Then your the same pilots who b***ch at your job because your not going anywhere because you have to wait years to build the time to upgrade.

HAHAHAHAHA.

I guess the $70,000 I took out over my 4 years that I have to pay was free money that some how must have really came from mommy and daddy.
I could care less about upgrading. I work at ExpressJet and I think the QOL of my life right now is pretty good.

Keep talking, your really good at stereotyping people and making yourself sound pretty good too.

For now look at the stock price then what will you do.

One more page and I win! What do I get for winning? That's right, not a damn thing.

You win a free introductory flight with one of UND's super-human pilots!

Get furloughed and make $4,000 a month until I get recalled.

wow its amazing at the animosity of people towards UND guys. I didn't really think there was a jealousy thing, but I guess some of you guys really do have some issues.

Ok.....Good luck buddy

So you admit it! You really do think you are better!
BTW, learn to take a joke here and there buddy ;)

Enough with the name calling and "I'm better than you."