Mesa ?
 

Sorry for the stupid question, I live abroad and I want to know why MESA is not well like? Please, keep it professional.

Use the search function. Nuff said.

Seriously, OF ALL DAYS to ask this question...this sounds like flamebait, you being overseas understandably has lead to your horrible timing - Mesa just put Aloha Airlines out of business TODAY because of its illegal practices.

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Are you serious?

No Block or Better
50% dead head
SSHHIITTYY cancellation pay that turns into no pay at all
No trip or duty rigs
No daily guarantees
Mandatory JR manning
8 days off for reserves
Majority of pilots only get 10 days off
$1.25 per Diem
1 hotel room on some CDO's
Don't ask of time off, you won’t get it and if you call in sick you'll have to visit your CP
Freedom "A"

And Orenstein at the helm, this is the guy who said "as long as there are resumes on my desk, pilots are overpaid." Also keep in mind that Orenstein has a criminal history and is currently being investigated. He also duped Hawaiian into opening the books, then shortly after he started Go!. Hawiian filed suit and now Mesa has to pay $80M plus fees and he’s one of the reasons that Aloha is folding.

Other’s can probably go deeper but that’s a few highlights.

BTW, its not Mesa that's hated, its Orenstein!

Where exactly do you live "abroad"?

If it's Europe, think Ryanair, only worse.

India,????????? any questions.:cool:

Nope, no questions. I was just asking, because if you lived in Europe, or have friends that do, or you worked for Ryanair, or had friends that work/worked at Ryanair, it would answer any questions you have.

You forgot no block or better. Nothing like sitting on the ramp at ORD for three hours, having half of your day cancelled and then getting paid for only one leg.

Who thinks they will be bankrupt by the end of the year?

Thanks, corrected and I hope they're more than bankrupt but I wish the best for their pilots.

More important question.....who PRAYS they will be bankrupt by the end of the year?

We have ORD overstaffed, and new planes coming from Bombardier....we'll be able to pick up their flying easily.....

....hell, we already do anyway!!!!

Not bankrupt, liquidated

If you live in ORD, is it still really that bad as far as not commuting?

Ok, mandatory junior manning? Does this mean you have to work on your days off it they call? Our jm only work if you pick up the phone. If this is true than ***, over?!?!?

Oh they will force you into more than that! Mesa is by far the worst career choice any pilot could make.

Often times, they just put the JRA in the remarks section of the dispatch release. It's usually a short message: "CA/FO ______ you are JRA to flt 1234 ORD-SAT. Please call crew tracking prior to departure."

You can call them and tell them you are happy to accept the assignment, or you can tell them you are unavailable to do the assignment. If you choose the latter of the two, you will be marked unavailable for work and transferred to a chief pilot (if one can be contacted). You will repeat the conversation you had with the tracker verbatem to the chief pilot and you will be off the hook. This does not go on your PRIA record.

That is how it works.

I prayed for the pilots and they're families long before the whole GO! mess.

Jetjockey,

Everything except noted ***** is absolutely true.

Many Skywest pilots were trained and built their initial 1000 hours with YV/ZV, those instructors must be doing something right...right??

"If you choose the latter of the two, you will be marked unavailable for work and transferred to a chief pilot (if one can be contacted). You will repeat the conversation you had with the tracker verbatem to the chief pilot and you will be off the hook"

That's nothing more than intimidation. I hope guys as dialed in on how to handle it as you are. Do you at least get time and a half for JRA?

Theroetically yes but good luck actually seeing it on your paycheck without alot of effort and arguing.

Intimidation is how Mesa treats their people. You have no idea how crappy life at Mesa is.

***** was correct to state "some." BTW, I'm not saying that Mesa pilots are bad pilots. They are not, actually I think most are better than most due to the simple fact of the BS they have to put up with (their Mgmnt, more MEL'd Eq than anyone else or none installed (GPS, ACARS, etc), CDL's, etc.). But their pilot group has THE worst TA and upper level Mgmnt team in the industry. They are second to none.

The J.A. thing is over, you can decline now.

Each crewmember gets (and has gotten) their own hotel room for about 1.5 years now.

I've called in sick several times, and never been asked a question, just marked as sick.

Other than that, your post is factual; unfourtunate as that is.

Funny because when I was there I carpet danced for calling in sick, danced again when refusing a JA and was told by the CP one night in PVD at 11pm standing in my boxers in my hotelroom to get back to the plane because the flight that crew track told me was cancelled didn't cancel and we were to ferry the plane back to JFK or look for new work.

Mesa just took me off line, because I refused to fly over 30 in 7. It was actually only day 5 that they wanted me to go over my 30 hours. I told them i couldnt go over 5 hours for the day because I was at 25 so far. They told me I was fine because it would put me at 29 and the last flight was a ferry flight which would put me over 30 but still legal. Got to the plane and found out they had me doing 3 legs to put me at 31 hours and than the ferry flight. CP told me it was my fault that I didn't make sure Tracking had the right times for me because they apparently were an hour short, and said I should have noticed it earlier. All I can say is wow....Gonna enjoy my time off and apply anywhere and everywhere else.

Wow! That sucks! It's that bad?

Sounds like you need a new chief pilot. Try calling the PHX or IAD CP. I know you're not one of their guys, but at least they could provide some rational insight when you have probs like this.

I don't understand how this stuff happens. I never hear about it, and it never happens to me; and I'm a extremely junior CA.

It used to happen to me routinely.

Take 2:

A good friend of mine just completed CRJ ground school at Mesa a couple weeks ago.

Within the first two hours of day one of ground, I received a text message from him saying, and I quote (but edited for language) "This poop is a cluster ****"

True story.

Although I’m glad to hear they've changed their hotel policies, it looks like the rest of my posting seems to be backed by many current and former Mesa pilots on this thread. Maybe it’s a single CP but it sound more like a crew support problem.

Whether this is a small minority or majority, it’s a problem, along with the rest of your TA. Please don’t get me wrong, I fully understand that you all are working hard to change it and I back all of you in your efforts.

I do question your new hires about their blind move to Mesa and I’m continually amazed that pilots, who spent so much time and money getting to where they are, jump willingly without researching first. But for those of you who are trapped in “Orenstein’s web,” I wish you the best of luck.

There is one thing that Mesa pilots have that we at SKW don't. It's an easy decision to leave! LOL! Most of the pilots I come across ,here at SKW, that are thinking about leaving seem to be having a real heard time with it. Even back when the going was good (i.e. summer 06). If you come from Mesa then any regional or major is a huge step up and an improvement in every aspect of your life.

I was agreeing with you, that with the exception of what I said, your post was correct. I am one of those current Mesa pilots.

I hear all of these terrible stories, like the ERJ pilot above. I know it is still happening, but it is far more few and far between then in previous times.

Like I said, I'm an extremely junior CA so I should be getting completely screwed, but at current, I'm not.

I had that same choice to leave about 3 months ago (to RW) and I stayed and upgraded. Tough choice. So far I don't regret it, as I am logging TPIC.

I hope you're not on the ERJ...ornstein has (and will) furlough out of seniority to save training costs.

paxhauler85.. How long have you been at Mesa? Curious what the upgrade time was for you and on what airplane?

16 months, CRJ.

Taking the shekels of gold from mr. o. is screwing the future of a PROFESSIONAL PILOT'S career!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get Out with your honor intact!!@!