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TchNgo 04-12-2008 10:17 AM

Very smart. Thanks for sharing. I think I will give it a shot.

warhawk 04-12-2008 10:48 AM

flycrj200, I found your comment interesting. When I was just starting out in this industry, and interviewing at my first 121 airline, I had over 300 hours of FTD time that I had kept track of (logged) in my log book. All of this time was without an instructor. At the time I had all sorts of "industry experts" telling me that I couldn't log this time in my log book, yet none of them could ever seem to tell me what FAR they were using to back up their assertion. Anyway, I got the job, as a low time pilot, and the chief pilot told me that one of things that impressed him about me was that I had taken the initiative to do all those practice approaches on my own, even though the sim time could not be credited towards any rating. So perhaps airlines do look at FTD time after all. Hmmm... Just a thought.

Spooled 04-12-2008 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by warhawk (Post 362043)
flycrj200, I found your comment interesting. When I was just starting out in this industry, and interviewing at my first 121 airline, I had over 300 hours of FTD time that I had kept track of (logged) in my log book. All of this time was without an instructor. At the time I had all sorts of "industry experts" telling me that I couldn't log this time in my log book, yet none of them could ever seem to tell me what FAR they were using to back up their assertion. Anyway, I got the job, as a low time pilot, and the chief pilot told me that one of things that impressed him about me was that I had taken the initiative to do all those practice approaches on my own, even though the sim time could not be credited towards any rating. So perhaps airlines do look at FTD time after all. Hmmm... Just a thought.

You can log anything you want in your logbook. FTD time can't count as total time or simulator time.

I see no point in logging it. But hey, do whatever makes you happy.

warhawk 04-12-2008 11:20 AM

Precisely my point, you can log anything you want.

If you can't see the point in documenting training experience, even if it is not "FAA approved," then there probably is no point in keeping track of it, for you anyway.

Atreyu 04-12-2008 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by warhawk (Post 362043)
flycrj200, I found your comment interesting. When I was just starting out in this industry, and interviewing at my first 121 airline, I had over 300 hours of FTD time that I had kept track of (logged) in my log book. All of this time was without an instructor. At the time I had all sorts of "industry experts" telling me that I couldn't log this time in my log book, yet none of them could ever seem to tell me what FAR they were using to back up their assertion. Anyway, I got the job, as a low time pilot, and the chief pilot told me that one of things that impressed him about me was that I had taken the initiative to do all those practice approaches on my own, even though the sim time could not be credited towards any rating. So perhaps airlines do look at FTD time after all. Hmmm... Just a thought.

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say it was a mesa interview panel that said that

flycrj200 04-12-2008 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by warhawk (Post 362043)
flycrj200, I found your comment interesting. When I was just starting out in this industry, and interviewing at my first 121 airline, I had over 300 hours of FTD time that I had kept track of (logged) in my log book. All of this time was without an instructor. At the time I had all sorts of "industry experts" telling me that I couldn't log this time in my log book, yet none of them could ever seem to tell me what FAR they were using to back up their assertion. Anyway, I got the job, as a low time pilot, and the chief pilot told me that one of things that impressed him about me was that I had taken the initiative to do all those practice approaches on my own, even though the sim time could not be credited towards any rating. So perhaps airlines do look at FTD time after all. Hmmm... Just a thought.

What airline do you work for?

Spooled 04-12-2008 01:30 PM

Does anyone log MS Flight Sim time? Do you think Mesa might like to see that?

warhawk 04-12-2008 02:19 PM

The airline at which I had that experience is a small, turboprop regional, and it was 11 years ago, not that it is relevant. By the way, it wasn't Mesa. Even back then, it was not known as a very good place to work.

I don't know if anyone logs MS sim time, I'm not the logbook police. I'll leave that to the FAA. Based on some of the instrument skills I have seen at the airline level ately, perhaps you're on to something.

As far as bringing that up in an airline interview, it could be construed as, similiar to your hypothetical question, silly.

flybywire44 04-12-2008 03:51 PM

Add an aircraft and then set the perimeters for the "aircraft..."


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