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Old 04-14-2008, 06:22 AM
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While I totally agree with you, and I thought that us at 9E would stand to lose a great deal of flying someone thinks we are wrong...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marke...0080414?rpc=44

yeah. pinnacle is going no where, unless us pilots get the chance to strike. we are right now the only regional with brand spanken new contracts with both delta/nwa/continental. and i know some out there will say that the contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on. but these contracts are less than a year old, and were written while merger talks were beginning. plus i don't think uncle phil would be dumb enough to sign a contract that could be backed out of when we are paying for the 900's ourselves (if so i think the sec might have some jail time set up for him). same with those dang q400's. the 200 will continue to be used in several markets that dont need a mainline plane or even a 900. the 50 seater is only losing money on certain flights. not all. which is obvious since pinnacle has tons of money in the bank and we operate a mostly 200 fleet.

to be honest the people who have to be worried are the ones that are wholly owned by delta or northwest. they will be the first ones to be shed. now i am not saying they will close the doors but they will be sold. to whom and for how much i don't know. and what will happen to their flying, who knows. but delta has made it obvious they don't want to be in the regional owning business. they sold asa. there have been reports that they are looking for someone to buy comair. we all know mesaba and compass will be sold because thats what nwa does anyway. the sales will give the new company tons of cash on hand to take care of their business.
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yeah. pinnacle is going no where, unless us pilots get the chance to strike. we are right now the only regional with brand spanken new contracts with both delta/nwa/continental. and i know some out there will say that the contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on. but these contracts are less than a year old, and were written while merger talks were beginning. plus i don't think uncle phil would be dumb enough to sign a contract that could be backed out of when we are paying for the 900's ourselves (if so i think the sec might have some jail time set up for him). same with those dang q400's. the 200 will continue to be used in several markets that dont need a mainline plane or even a 900. the 50 seater is only losing money on certain flights. not all. which is obvious since pinnacle has tons of money in the bank and we operate a mostly 200 fleet.

to be honest the people who have to be worried are the ones that are wholly owned by delta or northwest. they will be the first ones to be shed. now i am not saying they will close the doors but they will be sold. to whom and for how much i don't know. and what will happen to their flying, who knows. but delta has made it obvious they don't want to be in the regional owning business. they sold asa. there have been reports that they are looking for someone to buy comair. we all know mesaba and compass will be sold because thats what nwa does anyway. the sales will give the new company tons of cash on hand to take care of their business.

I keep hearing over and over from various sources that Mesaba will not last, and that there 900's will get transfered and the saabs will find there way to BGR for a long rest. Compass would be sold to Republic.
Who knows we could find out more this week.
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to be honest the people who have to be worried are the ones that are wholly owned by delta or northwest. they will be the first ones to be shed. now i am not saying they will close the doors but they will be sold. to whom and for how much i don't know. and what will happen to their flying, who knows. but delta has made it obvious they don't want to be in the regional owning business. they sold asa. there have been reports that they are looking for someone to buy comair. we all know mesaba and compass will be sold because thats what nwa does anyway. the sales will give the new company tons of cash on hand to take care of their business.
If there's anyone out there willing to buy a regional airline at this point in time, please stand up.....
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What regional airline DOESN'T have 50 seats as their majority?..Count republic as one entity....
Mesaba... For the time being most our fleet is made up of Saabs.
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW View Post
I keep hearing over and over from various sources that Mesaba will not last, and that there 900's will get transfered and the saabs will find there way to BGR for a long rest. Compass would be sold to Republic.
Who knows we could find out more this week.
i don't know about going away but they wont last at nwa that is for sure.

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If there's anyone out there willing to buy a regional airline at this point in time, please stand up.....

hahaha, that seems to be a problem huh. delta couldn't find anyone to buy comair a while back, and with the market the way it is now, they will probably have a real tough time finding someone now.
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Old 04-14-2008, 06:52 AM
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I think it's too late for DL to sell us, we make money for DL..plain and simple..they paid 1.8 billion for a well run airline...have set the table for the airline to mismanage itself into annoying inefficiency..but we still make money for em.

If they were going to get rid of CA, they would've done it whilst in chapter 11.

Just my opinion, it could still happen..but it's a waste of money/time in trying to find a buyer now.
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i don't know about going away but they wont last at nwa that is for sure.
What will happen to all the routes that the Saab flys then? Just get rid of them? Kind of hard to fly jets into some of those destinations. How much money does NWA make on the PAX/Mail service to and from some of those EAS cities.
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What will happen to all the routes that the Saab flys then? Just get rid of them? Kind of hard to fly jets into some of those destinations. How much money does NWA make on the PAX/Mail service to and from some of those EAS cities.
yeah i don't think mesaba will go away. but they wont stay owned by new when the merger happens. you are right though. mesabas saab service is essential to some of the airports they fly into. so like i said i don't think mesaba is going away, but i dont think they will be owned by nwa post merger
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Ya'll should start trading futures!
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In theory since NWA owns Mesaba and Delta owns Comair, whats to stop them from merging operations thus comair could downgrade some of the 200 flights out east to Saabs and upgrade others in the -900...
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