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Originally Posted by IndyAir Guy
(Post 501737)
Yeah and dont forget the CAL new hires making $31 or USAir at $25 by comparison that makes JB's $40 look like a kings ransomed.
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Originally Posted by IndyAir Guy
(Post 501737)
Yeah and dont forget the CAL new hires making $31 or USAir at $25 by comparison that makes JB's $40 look like a kings ransomed.
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Originally Posted by bryris
(Post 501692)
Again, you've never done it, so its tough to imagine. I too, flight instructed, and recently signed back up with a flight school to stay current after the airlines. I loved flight instructing, disliked the airlines.
Originally Posted by bryris
(Post 501692)
Flying a 172 with no autopilot down low, with varying students, in different levels of training, etc is cool. It makes you think to sit there and explain some element of the curriculum to a student. Once you are through training in the airlines (which is difficult), you won't think about flying again until your next recurrent. Its just a program you run every flight. It goes something like this: PF: Set thrust, gear up, flaps up, climb power, 10,000 feet, 29.92's, direct XXX, 1,000 to go, 100 to go, cruise power, cross XXX at FL240, brief landing, in range check, flaps 9, flaps 22, gear down, yaw damper off, land. or PNF: Cleared to go, contact dep, climb to 15,000, climb to FL230, contact the next guy, the next guy, the next guy, the next guy, the next guy, the next guy, the next guy, descend to FL190, cross XXX at 11,000 at 250knots, contact approach, "we've got Juliet", turn here, turn there, contact tower, cleared to land. Done! Just repeat a few thousand times and enjoy the hotels. Or how about this life... Get up, get shower, brush teeth, get dressed, TRY to eat breakfast, sit in traffic, walk to train, sit on train, walk to work, get to work, get coffee, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle... wait you are still sitting down in the cubicle. listen to the gossip/politics goin on around you.. hear about how your job can be outsourced to India if they wanted to, deal with the co worker that doesn't do any work and pawns it off on you, and makes more money than you... deal with the CEO's kid or relative that is dumber than a brick despite his fully paid for education, watch them move up around you to higher positions because of their last name, while you remain the same, and sit in the cubicle... wait that 23 year old got a corner office now? Yup you are still in the cubicle. Time to go home yet? finally. walk to train, sit on train, walk to car, sit in traffic, walk to house, sit down fighting the urge to pass out... argue with the wife b/c you are ****y and miserable from the day… go to bed, get up, repeat. 5 days a week every week. Only 1 - 4 day weekend per year (thanks giving). 99% of the rest of the time, its 5 on, 2 off. Oh, don't let me forget about the select favorites that get work from home privileges, when you don't or wont... Despite the fact that you BUILT THE FKN VPN. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 501711)
This industry can be tough, no doubt. But it's not all bad Johnny Raincloud. You're right. There are guys flying 737s around making $60K a year. But, they're 1st year Southwest FOs that will make well over $90K the next year. DAL has 1st year guys on the 767ER who are making $50 bucks an hour. When they hit 2nd year pay, they'll be making over $85 bucks an hour. 2nd year A320 FOs will make $75+ an hour, and the 737 drivers will make a little more. Some of the reserve guys who commute can sit at home most of the month because of long call. Everyone is long call, but can be converted to short call 6 times a month.
There are a few of the bright sides to the industry. I won't get into the uglys, as many on here are already familar. This industry can be tough, but also rewarding. It all depends on the indvidual, and their life. Think long and hard before leaving. The grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side. He is going to start flight training, that will cost 40-50K, I'd use that money for an MBA or your kids college fund. |
Originally Posted by Dan64456
(Post 501824)
Or how about this life... Get up, get shower, brush teeth, get dressed, TRY to eat breakfast, sit in traffic, walk to train, sit on train, walk to work, get to work, get coffee, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle... wait you are still sitting down in the cubicle. listen to the gossip/politics goin on around you.. hear about how your job can be outsourced to India if they wanted to, deal with the co worker that doesn't do any work and pawns it off on you, and makes more money than you... deal with the CEO's kid or relative that is dumber than a brick despite his fully paid for education, watch them move up around you to higher positions because of their last name, while you remain the same, and sit in the cubicle... wait that 23 year old got a corner office now? Yup you are still in the cubicle. Time to go home yet? finally. walk to train, sit on train, walk to car, sit in traffic, walk to house, sit down fighting the urge to pass out... argue with the wife b/c you are ****y and miserable from the day… go to bed, get up, repeat. 5 days a week every week. Only 1 - 4 day weekend per year (thanks giving). 99% of the rest of the time, its 5 on, 2 off. Oh, don't let me forget about the select favorites that get work from home privileges, when you don't or wont... Despite the fact that you BUILT THE FKN VPN. Compare that with 144 hours on and 30 hours off as an airine pilot? Notice I took some time off on on the off hour. That is because you will probably commute and that will take off AT LEAST 12 hours off of your off time. And this is a senioir guy. If you don't have much senioirty, you might get tuesday and wendsay off, when it would do you no good. Please.... enjoy your job, nothing to see here.. If you're in it for the coolnese, go rent a 172 at the local ap, same sensations without the BS. |
OK, here is the analogy as relates airline flying:
Originally Posted by Dan64456
(Post 501824)
Or how about this life...
Get up, get shower, brush teeth, get dressed, TRY to eat breakfast, sit in traffic, walk to train, sit on train, walk to work, get to work, get coffee, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle... wait you are still sitting down in the cubicle. listen to the gossip/politics goin on around you.. hear about how your job can be outsourced to India if they wanted to Get up, get shower, brush teeth, get dressed, do not eat breakfast (because the hotel doesn't have continental breakfast, or you are leaving too early that it isn't put out yet). Get to airport, go through airport security, put jacket back on, belt back on, reassemble baggage trailer. Get into airplane. Listen to gossip/politics going on at the company and the industry as a whole, hear about how your job is going to be outsourced or just eliminated altogether. ...deal with the co worker that doesn't do any work and pawns it off on you, and makes more money than you... deal with the CEO's kid or relative that is dumber than a brick despite his fully paid for education, watch them move up around you to higher positions because of their last name, while you remain the same, and sit in the cubicle... wait that 23 year old got a corner office now? Yup you are still in the cubicle. Time to go home yet? finally. walk to train, sit on train, walk to car, sit in traffic, walk to house, sit down fighting the urge to pass out... argue with the wife b/c you are ****y and miserable from the day… go to bed, get up, repeat. 5 days a week every week. Only 1 - 4 day weekend per year (thanks giving). 99% of the rest of the time, its 5 on, 2 off. Oh, don't let me forget about the select favorites that get work from home privileges, when you don't or wont... Despite the fact that you BUILT THE FKN VPN. Sorry man, the argument doesn't hold up. |
Originally Posted by Dan64456
(Post 501824)
Or how about this life... Get up, get shower, brush teeth, get dressed, TRY to eat breakfast, sit in traffic, walk to train, sit on train, walk to work, get to work, get coffee, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle, sit down in cubicle... wait you are still sitting down in the cubicle. listen to the gossip/politics goin on around you.. hear about how your job can be outsourced to India if they wanted to, deal with the co worker that doesn't do any work and pawns it off on you, and makes more money than you... deal with the CEO's kid or relative that is dumber than a brick despite his fully paid for education, watch them move up around you to higher positions because of their last name, while you remain the same, and sit in the cubicle... wait that 23 year old got a corner office now? Yup you are still in the cubicle. Time to go home yet? finally. walk to train, sit on train, walk to car, sit in traffic, walk to house, sit down fighting the urge to pass out... argue with the wife b/c you are ****y and miserable from the day… go to bed, get up, repeat. 5 days a week every week. Only 1 - 4 day weekend per year (thanks giving). 99% of the rest of the time, its 5 on, 2 off. Oh, don't let me forget about the select favorites that get work from home privileges, when you don't or wont... Despite the fact that you BUILT THE FKN VPN.
Originally Posted by AirWillie
(Post 501847)
Not to be a downer but I was attempting to do a reality check. The fact that someone is still considering getting into this profession with a family and kids off all things, is missing something. Not all of us will be Delta FOs anytime soon, which even then pay is not nearly enough. You can make 50-85k per year easily on other professions especially if you have a degree.
He is going to start flight training, that will cost 40-50K, I'd use that money for an MBA or your kids college fund. To each his own, but I know plenty of happy pilots, and plenty of people miserable in their non-aviation jobs. It goes both ways. |
Seems to me the miserable ones should get out of flying and go find another job....
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
(Post 501847)
Not to be a downer but I was attempting to do a reality check. The fact that someone is still considering getting into this profession with a family and kids off all things, is missing something. Not all of us will be Delta FOs anytime soon, which even then pay is not nearly enough. You can make 50-85k per year easily on other professions especially if you have a degree.
He is going to start flight training, that will cost 40-50K, I'd use that money for an MBA or your kids college fund. I respect your reality check. But there are very few professions, let alone jobs where you will make $50-$85K 1st and 2nd year. If you believe that you may want to give yourself a reality check. |
I strongly doubt the nay sayers ever worked in an office job before... 5 day work weeks plain suck. The negative people fail to count the time for commuting / overtime / whatever as well when making numbers up for a 9 to 5er... I don't see how you say that you only get 30 hours off per week either... Here is the schedule of a regional FO I know thats only been working at the airline for less than 1 year...
Oct 1st...OFF Oct 2nd Dep..........Arr LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 3rd Dep..........Arr LAX 0950...SBP 1054...Could be my last flight to San Luis Obispo for the Month SBP 1121...LAX 1230 LAX 1325...SAN 1427...Could be my last flight to San Diego for the Month SAN 1455...LAX 1545 Oct 4th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 5th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 6th...OFF Oct 7th...OFF Oct 8th...OFF Oct 9th...OFF Oct 10th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 11th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 12th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 13th...OFF Oct 14th...OFF Oct 15th...OFF Oct 16th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 17th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 18th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 19th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 20th...OFF Oct 21st...OFF Oct 22nd...OFF Oct 23rd...OFF Oct 24th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 25th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 26th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 27th...OFF Oct 28th...OFF Oct 29th...OFF Oct 30th Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 Oct 31st Dep..........Arr LAX 0800...SBA 0846 SBA 0917...LAX 1010 LAX 1130...SBA 1219 SBA 1252...LAX 1345 LAX 1425...SBA 1512 SBA 1554...LAX 1645 15 days off, and home every single night of the week. some WORKdays he can even sleep in! I'm up at 6:30 every damn morning, and always tired. Only get to sleep in 2 days per week, and never can sleep past 7:30am anyway because of being used to forcing myself out of bed EVERY weekday. I still don't see any validity in your arguments either... no offense, but I'm just trying state my case here... I honestly think (like the other guy said) that the people that whine never worked in a real job (aside from aviation) before... |
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