Just do like republic and make a new certificate. Presto, you are (unfortunately) around scope...

Maybe it's because SKYW already flies for United???

A lot of CHQ guys are starting to understand that 'dislike' of the CAL operation too...

Last time I checked RAH only flies crj-200 and erj-145's for CAL.

You're confused...CAL's scope limits their regional feed to 50 seats...how would a new certificate for Skywest get around CAL's scope?

The same way RAH's (aka Chapublicle) myriad of certificates helps them navigate the various scope clauses for the mainline partners they fly for.

Yes, but everyone RAH flys the E170 for has scope which allows 70 seaters. CALs scope does not, therefore a different certificate would not allow them to fly 70 seaters for CAL.

You're correct. I realize I misinterpreted what the person who originally posted about the new certificate was saying. As it stands right now, anything with jet engines and 51+ seats on it has to be flown by CAL mainline pilots. The only way to change that would be to change CAL's scope clause.

No worries, just wanted to clarify that.

And unfortunately, it seems like that may become more and more of a reality.

I'm not slamming the CAL pilot group, and I hope (for MY sake and THEIRS) they can hold on.

But the fuel prices are effecting CAL just like everybody else. They have new planes still arriving, although efficient, they STILL carry a heftier lease payment. To top if off, the CAL pilot group is trying to "take it back" so to speak. In other words, want a new/better contract that equates to higher labor costs for CAL.

It wouldn't matter who was in their position, they are in a crappy spot and are losing leverage to be able to hold on to some of the better and more expensive parts of their contract. And one of them being scope. Scope is good for us and our careers, its sucks for management trying to control costs. As much as we pilots and our egos like to think the airline (and world) revolves around US and we run the airline, it's just not the case.

It's becoming old and cliche, but if management goes with the "hey guys, it pay raises, retirement protection, AND a revision to PBS language if you give up scope", which way do you think they will go?

One thing I do know, is this deal will go nowhere without the pilot groups approval, they can't go around, or through us, going to have to be with us and I can tell you personally we have a very STRONG MEC, after all yours truly is part of it ;)