i'd think it'd all depend on how quickly the ball got rolling on the continental flying. In an overnight situation, yeh, it's not going to happen. But, if CAL starts pulling airframes at a slower pace, i don't see any real reason skywest couldn't hire the necessary pilots, and through movement within in the company find enough to cover the addition of the new flying....

It's not like there aren't other pilots out there who want a job still...infact, now that the doors are closed at most places, eagle raised their mins, go-jet's getting guys, and there are plenty more waiting on the sidelines for their chance to get on with SOMEONE....ANYONE. :eek:

Aint that the truth, I wish I was even close to guarantee last month. I worked 5 days and had 26:52 of block. On the high note, my golf game IS coming along nicely...

How the F am I the spokesman ? This is the internet. Anonymous people in their skivvies spewing whatever immature BS they can through their keyboards.


If you come up on my post, just don't read it. Easy. This forum is simple, mindless entertainment by folks who don't have the guts to do something as simple as own up to what they say and write.


I'm not even sure what it is that you have issues with. If you think I'm posting something incorrectly, or there's some error in judgment, why not instead correct those ? I have no duty to make you look good, or bad.


Hey, folks throw out lots of barbs herre. I have no problem sparring. Cheap entertainment. Nothing personal, 'cuz lets face, everybody here is just an icon and a handle anyhoo.


As to your more pragmatic comments, yes, we have boatloads of pilots, boatloads of cash, and an agreement with Continental. What's missing?


Planes.


Now we have approval to fly the little jungle jets, and there are (and probably going to be) a bunch of these on the market. Wonder what will happen next ?


Does that make me a spokesman ? Does that upset somebody, and make "all of us" look bad ?


I'd prefer we not buy XJT. I don't see the value to the shareholders in that, unless it's a fire sale. Is that bad too ?


I'm asking these questions rhetorically. I really don't care what happens with SkW with respect to XJT, or how people view my individual opinions of it.

forget about the 51
what happens if they announce an intent to cancel the CPA? i would wager an increase in stock prices would not be in the cards. in fact all creditors would be looking for ways to distance themselves from XJET imo.

Well, I do think our airline is better than many out there :p

And to put everything in perspective. Does it really matter what any of us say or here ? Will something of substance come out of any of the gazillion posts ?

No.

At least I got a good chuckle out of Sluper dude's posts. Heck, I think it's ballsy to use his handle. Reminds me of a pilot I flew with not too long ago. First words out of his mouth were, "I'm a good pilot". Let's just say that he didn't live up to his self proclaimed prophecy.

Hey, lighten up guys !!!! This is supposed to be fun.:D

I find a lot more entertainment in this when people engage in a somewhat intelligent debate. Tony, if you think nonsensical name calling and callous remarks about other pilot group's demise is fun then maybe we can put you and saabarowski in your own little forum ring to duke it out. At least SAAB and the XJTers don't have the sense of manifest destiny that so many SKW posters on here do.

You are a SAPA rep. You made that clear on this board. Making that knowledge public, you definitely have a responsibiity to act more mature.

Grow up Dude :)

Callous remarks ? From me, about the demise of a pilot group ? I have no joy in any pilot loosing their job, nor do I express that. By the way, XJT just announce they still have tons of money in the bank, so I don't think they are going away soon (if that's what you're referring to).

This BS reminds me a bit of the union drive. It was OK to slam our company, its pilots, me personally, or virtually anything to do with our company.

All fair game.

If I responded to that BS, then I was bad. This BS will pass, too.

I am fully grown, by the way.

Exactly, thats why i have been calling him out. He has an arrogant swagger about himself and clearly finds some excitement out of skywest back dooring XJT. People are truly seeing Tony's real colors. Keep it up Tony you're doing great :rolleyes:

my screen name is just that a "screen name" not a "handle" (what are we doing driving big rigs?). Imagine that "Superpilot" on a *GASP* aviation forum WOW. Maybe you should have used something more creative. You could change yours to Gramps or Oldtimer? or better yet how about union-buster or mgmtwannabe those would work well for you.:cool:

So are there ERJ's sitting around somewhere here in the States? Or are these gonna have to come from some operator like Mesa or XJT?

I do my best not to post here anymore but I had to crawl out of the woodwork for this. How are you the spokesman? Because you are an elected member of your pilot group to represent them. To speak for them. You had the option to stay anonymous on this board but you selected to go the other route because you wanted it to be known just exactly who you were and what it was you stood for. Now you should begin to realize the error in judgment. Don't expect to be held to the same standard as everyone else who does speak under conditions of anonymity.

You aren't an anonymous person making a post as much as you are Tony Williams, a pilot from SKYW, who's a selected member of the pilot union. Everything you say is accountable in that aspect. Just like if our president sleeps with another woman during his "personal time" it still hurts the image of the nation on a political level. When you speak you aren't speaking personally even though that might be how you intend it. You speak for everyone who elected you as their chosen voice and thus are accountable.

PS. His name isn't Superpilot because he's cocky. It's because one of our chief pilots was a Puerto Rican who always called us that in class.

I got you beat! 6 whole hours at ORD last month. 0 so far this month, and the only open time I could grab was a local on the 24th!

what proof of this do you have. a pinnicle pilot the other day said that they might be getting up to 39 900's for the delta flying. if they aren't getting them from some where else then that is growth.

compass isn't any indication that those same union pilots are working to put the cat back in the bag.

how much fight did your union have when expressjet was loosing all of those props to non union carriers? (or how about those first 69 jets) the answer is non...sad isn't it.

Uh, yah, that's what I said.... riiiiiiiight.

I doubt I'll end the debate, but lets recap:


1. I don't favor SkW buying XJT. How that becomes I relish "backdooring" XJT, I have no idea. The alarmist shrill is just that.

2. Obviously, some (many?) at XJT feel a seniority merger might happen if they are bought. I don't, and neither do SkW pilots (based on my super advanced "true colors" scientific poll).

3. Those same merger mania folks seem to think they'll be able to jam ALPA down our throats if we merge. Certainly, that's a possibility if we merged, which is probably the single biggest reason it won't happen.

4. The latest XJT finacials show that they've still got lots of money. The very same things that SkW would do to make XJT profitable are the very things they can do themselves.

5. I was dumb enough to suggest to the SAPA board that we develop a seniority integration plan for SkW, Inc. owned pilots (pilots who might want to go from one wholly owned carrier to another). Truly naitivity on my part.

6. It's just a fact that if XJT fails, pilots start over somewhere. Sad, but true. Not much to sugar coat there, boys and girls.

What could their union fight?

CAL ALPA scope doesn't limit turboprops, it limits turbojets. As such, the XJT MEC could complain but had no legal right or ability to "fight" Colgan getting the Qs instead of Mesaba, Horizon, or anybody else. That was a CAL management decision.

Along the same lines, XJT ALPA couldn't "fight" Continental exercising their contractual right to terminate a quarter of XJT's CAL flying.

People need to educate themselves on exactly what a union can, and what it cannot, "fight"...

This thread isn't about me, so please start a new thread that "Tony a big meanie" if you wish to belabor this.
I don't see an error in judgement. I stand behind everything I've written, and am more than happy to debate the issues.

I could just start a new anonymous handle and keep going, but I would find that distasteful merely to appease somebody here.

I'm not a politician, not today, not tomorrow. Spewing feel-good crap, half truths, and the rest of politics makes me a bit ill. I'm not the president of the US either, and I don't care who gives him BJ's.

If I have something to say officially, it definitely hasn't been, nor will be here. Folks who want to inhibit my ability to speak as an individual are certainly welcome to their opinions.

I have your request.

You asked.

yea I know what the union can and cannot fight for...and when you fight you need leverage and expressjet signed that away.

I wasn't even talking about the Q's.

what was alpa's position when express was furloughing while skywest was getting the 120's that express used to fly just a few months before that? whether they could or couldn't legally fight it, what was their position? what was their position when commute air moved into cleveland? their position was oh well lets try and get commute air and skywest to become alpa. sad but that's all they cared about.

XJT MEC announced today a closed door MEC meeting at the request of Skywest. Info to follow the meeting:


XJT MEC Update
May 7, 2008

Special MEC Meeting

A special meeting of the XJT Master Executive Council has been called for this Friday, May 9. The meeting at XJT MEC headquarters in Houston was requested by our management on behalf of SkyWest management, which asked for the opportunity to address our MEC. We anticipate that sensitive, confidential financial information will be part of the discussion and, therefore, expect most of the meeting will be conducted in Executive Session. Nonetheless, we will pass along what information we can to the pilot group in a blastmail following the meeting.

XJT PILOTS NEED TO HOLD THE LINE.... ZERO CONCESSIONS!!! NO BUST OF SCOPE!!! NOT A PENNY WHEN GAS AND FOOD COSTS ARE 400% HIGHER THAN TWO YEARS AGO.

I first assumed this was merely posting-under-the-influence, but it's been going on for a while now...

Tony: I agree with TD.

SuperPilot: Please finish probation before you leverage your status as a major airline pilot to tell us regional guys how it is. And that might take more than just one year...

I was told they are starting up a E-145 training program so they can merge the SKYW and XJT lists.

Do you believe everything your told?

You were told wrong. There won't be a merger of the list that is 100% certain. This is probably a backup incase your union doesn't want to negoiate.

100% certain huh?

the first contract that was figured up during the merger talks put a limit on the number of regional jets. That number was less than the number currently flying. now we just have to get the joint contract together and get the details. :D

Flame Bait

Hey!?.... you can't talk to my newly minted Delta double-breasted brother that way! He's one of the good guys now.:D

SuperPilot will be off probation soon enough. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, his years spent in the regionals are leverage enough to have a very valid opinion on scope.

I wasnt trying to tell you "how it is". What did i say thats not true? Does my probationary status at NWA make my opinion any less valid then it was as a CA at XJT or yours as an FO at Skywest? Nice attempt at a flame though :cool:

Exactly!!

Thanks Deez :D See we are already starting to stand shoulder to shoulder. ;)

Amen! Let's go get'em!

CRJ to ERJ
 

Wouldn’t SKW just merge the lists and then use the existing training from Express Jet?
For you Mesa / Eagle guys…what is the transition like from the CRJ to the ERJ? Is it a full ground school, or is it and the sim shortened?
I sure do miss my 140 knot DV window, the overhead escape hatch is not the best HAHA…THX :cool:

Simply NO! They would not, they are already in the process of developing a training program for the 145. We could use a outside contractor for a while if needed, but it would most likely be flight safety.

Any idea on when this training program will be finished?

6 months is the last number I heard. When I umm enquired about it I was told they are working te be able to have the first airplanes flying within 6 months if needed.

Have you heard of the reason why they are doing this and why now? Seems like the timing is a little suspect.

Yea it sure is. Because if SKYW does not buy out XJT, and XJT looses 51 aircraft, they will not be removed from service by XJT until the end of 2009. But if SKYW and XJT goes through then woudnt they just use the existing training program at XJT? Im not sure what was done with ASA, so I really dont know. But with a new acft type wouldnt it be easier to train under that subsidies' existing training dept?

Who knows the MEC is probably being uncooperative, being ALPA and all. I mean how dare those XJT guys worry about their future. :rolleyes:

I wonder how many SKW pilots would bid to transition to the 145...I'm guessing the bases would be IAH and maybe EWR.

it's good to hear that you guys might actually tighten scope. that's the first that I have heard of it.

in regards to CAL and expressjet you are only partly right about who is screwing who. I had friends at express who didn't care about the first 69 because it wouldn't effect them because they were so senior. that was until their home town overnight was taken away and given to chautauqua. no more overnights at home for them. it was the same way when they lost their prop flying. didn't bother them because they wouldn't fly them again. same thing that goes on at the majors happened at expressjet.

everyone it to blame for the outsourcing. cal, nwa, delta, usair, united, american, expressjet, comair, asa, freedom, mesa, trans states, gojets, skywest, and everyone else. everyone is all excited when they get flying and only upset when they might loose theirs and even then some aren't that upset. what's that saying "stuff flows down hill". it started at the top and now everyone is covered in it.

as for the Q's continental has always allowed that size. think atr-72 but that was before your time.

Well considering if the buyout happens xjt would still be run as a seperate company there still wouldn't be a need for the 145 training since it would be at xjt, thats the way ASA buyout was done.

exactly so what the he** is everyone talking about in saying SKW could have this training program and "aircraft flying" within 6 months? Even if SKW didn't buy XJT and got their flying, the transition wouldn't even START to occur for another year and a half....so please tell me what are you talking about?