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seanthornton 05-07-2008 06:54 AM

That's life
 
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think I'm the only one. I'm tired of everyone whining about this and that...."Skywest sucks, Alpa rules, RJ's are Satan's gift to aviation, everyone go on strike to boycott oil prices, whatever. Listen, from my perspective (again, maybe it's only me) we are all in this crapper of a time together. Time has shown that the economy will go up and down, jobs and fortunes will be created, lost and transferred. That's life. Let's do our jobs with professionalism and dignity. Things will get better (but the best advice I ever got was to get an education and make sure to have a skill to do besides flying). I'll shut up now.

Stryker 05-07-2008 06:57 AM

Encore!! Encore!!

frieswiththat 05-07-2008 07:02 AM

THAT is the best post I've read in a long time.

flyboyshell 05-07-2008 07:07 AM

Great post! I with you on that!

Pilotpip 05-07-2008 07:07 AM

That's the attitude that keeps things on the march down. Pay, bennefits and everything else that is supposed to come with this industry have been slowly eroding for decades.

What all of you new guys need to realize is that there's more to it than just being happy to have a job. Ask your captains about what they had to do to get where they are. Take a look at the payscales. It's much easier to lower the standards than it is to raise pay. Many have given a ton in recent years with a promise from management that the concessions would be returned once the hard times were over. Now the same management is crying about fuel and stuffing their pockets.

F-28 captains at Piedmont in 1986 were making $130 an hour plus. Not bad for a 56 seat jet. Think about that.

Complaining on here doesn't mean that I don't go to work with my uniform pressed, and my shoes shined. If anything, demanding more shows the respect I have for this profession. I have a job to do, but I refuse to sit around and wait for it to get better.

ComairFO 05-07-2008 07:09 AM

While I can't disagree with your post, keep in mind this forum is full of bored pilots with nothing better to do!

usmc-sgt 05-07-2008 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by seanthornton (Post 380764)
I'm tired of everyone XXXXXXXX about this and that

Sticking with the sites terms of service would you mind editing your post to do without the asterisks portion? I figured I would give the benefit of the doubt instead of delete it and the post will not lose its direction or intended audience without it.

Others, please follow suit that a post does not need language other than PG-13 to get your point across and 9 times out of 10 it ends up deleted. I dont mind a good curse word as much as the next guy but this is a professional site and as such we should act and speak (type) accordingly.

frieswiththat 05-07-2008 07:13 AM

I think the guy's post is completely legit. I gave up a 6-figure job to go back to regional flying, how jacked up is that decision? Yes, it could be a lot better but you take the good with the bad for a love of flying. Yes, I wish I made more money. Yes, I wish working conditions were better. But I made the decision and I have to live with it. And I have no regrets. And thank you, keep it clean.

Wildflyin 05-07-2008 07:16 AM

I'm sure that he is not saying that he doesn't want things to get better. I think that this post is more relating to the fact that instead of finding constructive ways to handle issues, we just get on here and make comments about other people's choice of airlines, whether or not they are union, and how that's great/sucks. Even some comments on people's possible evolutionary backgrounds... Basically instead of helping each other a lot of people get on here to hurl insults at others behind the relative safety of their respective keyboards.

seanthornton 05-07-2008 07:57 AM

Voila! We're in it together. I believe that things should be better than they are, I'm cautiously optimistic that they will get better, too. I also believe that we are sometimes alarmingly similar to how I see the politicians....Right or left, republican or democrat, liberal or conservative---instead of Americans. We need to find common ground and not focus on our differences, but focus on the significantly larger number of similarities we all share (we're pilots, we go up and down, try to put food on the table and support our families, and enjoy life). We all do that whether we're alpa, apa, teamster, non-union, black, white, yellow, whatever. Sorry about the earlier reference to a female dog, by the way.. OK, I'll shut up again.

usmc-sgt 05-07-2008 07:59 AM

No harm no foul, thanks alot for the quick fix.

BoredwLife 05-07-2008 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by seanthornton (Post 380764)
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think I'm the only one. I'm tired of everyone whining about this and that.


I would consider this whinning also. :p

seanthornton 05-07-2008 02:31 PM

haha....I guess you're right!

JoeyMeatballs 05-07-2008 03:41 PM

Hang on fellas
 
Well, though I agree with some of the 1st post. I do not recommend "well gee thats life oh well, nothing we can do about it". If you don't like something, open your mouth, change it. This is OUR CAREER, don't settle, we all owe to ourselves to make this industry better

G-Dog 05-07-2008 03:44 PM

You know what have been missing lately? A good GoJet thread. That is why you are bored.

Bond 05-07-2008 04:25 PM

I have the feeling that the original poster might be brand new to the industry, and regardless of what he says, anyone who's been doing this for a while knows that management toying and manipulating the work force is NOT JUST LIFE!

Everyone knows that the industry is cyclycal, however; dismissing the byproduct of it as JUST LIFE, is a very unrealistic and naive way to view our profession.

johnpeace 05-07-2008 05:04 PM

I love my job and don't have any complaints.

8out 05-07-2008 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by johnpeace (Post 381086)
I love my job and don't have any complaints.

Stick around for a while, and then get back to me.

Slice 05-07-2008 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by johnpeace (Post 381086)
I love my job and don't have any complaints.

Wait till the new car smell wears off...it'll happen.

Bond 05-07-2008 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by johnpeace (Post 381086)
I love my job and don't have any complaints.

A bit like a new girlfriend. :D Ahhh, the honeymoon stage, most of us have gone through it. Most of us still love our jobs, but that's exactly what it is....a job, with great things, a bad things, and things to complaint about.

cbram 05-07-2008 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by seanthornton (Post 380764)
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think I'm the only one. I'm tired of everyone whining about this and that...."Skywest sucks, Alpa rules, RJ's are Satan's gift to aviation, everyone go on strike to boycott oil prices, whatever. Listen, from my perspective (again, maybe it's only me) we are all in this crapper of a time together. Time has shown that the economy will go up and down, jobs and fortunes will be created, lost and transferred. That's life. Let's do our jobs with professionalism and dignity. Things will get better (but the best advice I ever got was to get an education and make sure to have a skill to do besides flying). I'll shut up now.


true in our industry and along with several other industries as well. theres some industries out there that are a lot worse off than ours. for example, in my hometown there's a gm plant that builds 10 mpg chev suburbans and tahoes. they nixed one shift and theres talk about closing down the whole plant because no one is buying these cars. theres several other companies in the area that supplement the gm plant such as lear corp which makes dashboards and other plastic parts. they just laid off several people........ripple effect continues. that is just one example. hopefully it will all turn around.

BoredwLife 05-07-2008 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by johnpeace (Post 381086)
I love my job and don't have any complaints.


If you wanted anyone to take you seriously you should have taken "ASA New Hire" off of your position.

chitownpilot 05-07-2008 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by seanthornton (Post 380764)
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think I'm the only one. I'm tired of everyone whining about this and that...."Skywest sucks, Alpa rules, RJ's are Satan's gift to aviation, everyone go on strike to boycott oil prices, whatever. Listen, from my perspective (again, maybe it's only me) we are all in this crapper of a time together. Time has shown that the economy will go up and down, jobs and fortunes will be created, lost and transferred. That's life. Let's do our jobs with professionalism and dignity. Things will get better (but the best advice I ever got was to get an education and make sure to have a skill to do besides flying). I'll shut up now.

Dude, this thread is a breath of fresh air. I love my job, but SO many people in this profession are their own worst enemies.

Especially the ones who vote to relax scope then whine that their flying is being stolen by the regionals.

BoredwLife 05-07-2008 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by chitownpilot (Post 381202)
Especially the ones who vote to relax scope then whine that their flying is being stolen by the regionals.

You must plan on being a Regional Lifer!!! Good for you!!!!!!!!!!

chitownpilot 05-07-2008 07:10 PM

Not planning on being a regional lifer here....where else am I supposed to start out in this industry???

BoredwLife 05-07-2008 07:15 PM

The exact response I expected to hear.

My point then is why would you bash someone in the position that you someday hope to be. IF/When you get to the other side you will be just as p!$$@3 that decisions made prior to you getting there might affect your job security. Hindsight being 20/20 some groups never thought it would go so far.

chitownpilot 05-07-2008 07:21 PM

Well, when/if that time comes, we'll see what my attitude is. As for now, I show up at work in a good mood, enjoy my job and the people I work with, and am nowhere near ashamed to say I love working at SkyWest Airlines.

With that, I am done on these forums.

BoredwLife 05-07-2008 07:27 PM

WOW :eek:

I didnt think I was mean or anything. I was just making an argument to put yourself in someone elses shoes. Sorry. I hope we didnt scare another one away.


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