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muushin 05-09-2008 06:58 AM

Fuel risk is hedged by air carriers?
 
Investment bank Goldman Sachs said the possibility of $150-$200 a barrel over the next six-to-24 months was "increasingly likely." The bank was one of the first to point to a triple-digit oil price more than two years ago.

Oil at $200 a barrel would mean roughly $6.50 a gallon for U.S. gasoline, according to figures from Standard Life. It makes the record $3.61 U.S. consumers are now paying seem cheap.

"I think we've reached the point now where we're starting to see significant responses from consumers," said Jim Hamilton, professor at the University of California in San Diego, adding oil prices were one of the factors that placed the U.S. economy at the risk of recession. Higher oil prices on a multi-year view remain a hit to corporate margins. Among the first to suffer are airlines, some of which are facing bankruptcy because of higher fuel costs."

Which airline would be hardest hit?


Most airlines hedge their fuel risk with fuel futures.

There exists an 'air group', (take a wild guess on who that might be), that supplies its respective code share partners with fully crewed and maintained aircraft, but does not pay for fuel.
In a normal economy this is a brilliant strategy. However, with fuel being the most unstable risk factor today, the smart move, is to shed the most non essential load. In corporate terms, what is not company property, would get load shed first. This is exactly what Delta did, and by the time oil hits $200 per bbl., do you think that this type of Load shedding of sub-contractors will become more likely?

G-Dog 05-09-2008 07:02 AM

Anyone have thoughts on the government subsidizing fuel for the airline industry?

OlyRob 05-09-2008 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by muushin (Post 382359)
There exists an 'air group', (take a wild guess on who that might be), that supplies its respective code share partners with fully crewed and maintained aircraft, but does not pay for fuel.
In a normal economy this is a brilliant strategy. However, with fuel being the most unstable risk factor today, the smart move, is to shed the most non essential load. In corporate terms, what is not company property, would get load shed first. This is exactly what Delta did, and by the time oil hits $200 per bbl., do you think that this type of Load shedding of sub-contractors will become more likely?

Basically every regional passes fuel costs on to its codeshares.

The Chow 05-09-2008 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by G-Dog (Post 382362)
Anyone have thoughts on the government subsidizing fuel for the airline industry?


Not a chance. The "genius" at work in DC would say something like.....Big Oil needs to pay for airline oil due to their unfair profits. Which would mean we would get higer oil prices.

cbram 05-09-2008 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by G-Dog (Post 382362)
Anyone have thoughts on the government subsidizing fuel for the airline industry?

doubt it..............and certainly not during this administration.

maveric311 05-09-2008 09:24 AM

While subsidizing fuel for the airlines would be a great boost to the airlines, it wold be horrible for the country. where is the money going to come from? we are already running record deficits under this administration which inhereted a surplus and we are talking about further cutting taxes to help the economy in the short term. Great lets all mortgage the future to save the current.

flyboyzz1 05-09-2008 09:28 AM

how bout the airlines just charge more...charge what an airline ticket should cost

SmoothOnTop 05-09-2008 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by flyboyzz1 (Post 382551)
how bout the airlines just charge more...charge what an airline ticket should cost

Bingo!

Exactly,

Increase for fuel increases and a cost of living increase for payroll.

Sure, some will flock to the LCCs.

Do you think they have the seat capacity for all of the flying public?

muushin 05-09-2008 10:21 AM

With regard to 'load shedding of non essential systems',
if Delta can do it, why can't US Air and United do the same with regard to a particular air group? The time is ripe to do them in!! Especially,........... If it is warranted!!!

http://www.abc15.com/news/local/stor...b-58ead663d71a

hdale 05-09-2008 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by muushin (Post 382612)
With regard to 'load shedding of non essential systems',
if Delta can do it, why can't US Air and United do the same with regard to Mesa? The time is ripe to do them in!!

Do you have a tingling in your lower parts for Mesa? Everything you post has to do with them. Also, if you didnt know that the regionals have thier fuel paid for by their codeshare partners what are you doing posting on a subject you seem to have no knowledge of?

muushin 05-09-2008 10:49 AM

Talking about knowing better.........
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoen...n%20the%20news


http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoen...1/daily49.html


I read and hear soo much crap about the way that they treat people, and after the Hawaii stuff, I feel that they are a danger to the world, an insult to the pilot community. A happy day is the day they shut down!!

Over the years, they have shown the airline community that they are unethical backstabbers who deserve the worst fate, at the very least, what they dish out they should also eat!!

The Juice 05-09-2008 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by OlyRob (Post 382380)
Basically every regional passes fuel costs on to its codeshares.

Not exactly. Capacity Purchase Agreement's are best at passing on fuel to the major carrier however there are regionals that operate pro-rate and have to pony up the fuel costs themselves.

muushin 05-09-2008 06:53 PM

A certain air group S**KS!!!! AND THEN SOME !!!!


If a certain air group is bashed because they represent everything that is FOUL and obscene. Understand the basic principal of free speech.

If a certain air group Did not S**k ,

then we would not be bashing them


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