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TwinTurboPilot 01-10-2009 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Flyer2000 (Post 534220)
Pictures are a CASS requirement sent down from TSA (passport requirements have been deleted by TSA). If an airline is a CASS carrier....they have pictures available. Some stations computers cannot accommodate pictures (Delta in OAK for example), so that may be what you are seeing, but XJT, and every other CASS carrier has a picture in their respective CASS data base.

Yea I know about that problem ive dealt with it at CAL and lucky me it was an issue in my hometown. Has to do with the computers being to old and not being able to generate a picture.

mohaupt 01-10-2009 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Flyer2000 (Post 402521)
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YES!! All the two letter codes for airlines! Now I will be able to decode all of those posting that were titled with just the airline code. A mod should totally sticky this portion of the post!

jk

I agree with the "if the cpt is a commuter then he/she will try to accommodate" The only time I have not been able to make the j/s is when the weather is down so bad and so wide spread that they have an alternate that is pretty far. *shrugs* no big deal, that's what commuter clause is for!


~m

Luv2Rotate 01-10-2009 08:57 AM

Here's what I dont get. Why do some airlines accept a CASS member as having a reciprocal jumpseat agreement while others require you to be in CASS and have a recip agreement??????

Flyer2000 01-11-2009 08:41 AM

Every airline operates their respective jumpseats the way their jumpseat committee, and or management wants. Example: American Airlines has both unlimited jumpseat agreements with carriers reciprocating unlimited, and limited with those that don't. Same with international agreements at AA. AA's management will not allow international agreements with carriers that don't fly internationally (exception SWA) regardless of CASS.

Others airlines ONLY accept CASS carriers to their list (i.e. FedEx). Here at SkyWest, we accept CASS and non CASS, but you HAVE to be on our reciprocal jumpseat list. It is just how different airlines operate their jumpseats.

Desert Sky 11-22-2009 11:23 PM

Sorry to bring back the dead but I have a question. Vision Airlines (V2) is a CASS participant and we do have a reciprocal agreement with SkyWest. Vision does not have agreements with Delta or United at this time. Could I still jumpseat on all SkyWest flights?

TBucket 11-23-2009 12:14 AM


Originally Posted by RPJ80 (Post 715694)
Sorry to bring back the dead but I have a question. Vision Airlines (V2) is a CASS participant and we do have a reciprocal agreement with SkyWest. Vision does not have agreements with Delta or United at this time. Could I still jumpseat on all SkyWest flights?

I would guess yes... Otherwise, that agreement with skywest would be pretty useless...


So, vision, eh? What's the deal with those unmarked 767's they always have parked out in IAD?

peterpilot55 11-23-2009 04:40 AM

Who's reciprocal
 

Originally Posted by Flyer2000 (Post 535624)
Every airline operates their respective jumpseats the way their jumpseat committee, and or management wants. Example: American Airlines has both unlimited jumpseat agreements with carriers reciprocating unlimited, and limited with those that don't. Same with international agreements at AA. AA's management will not allow international agreements with carriers that don't fly internationally (exception SWA) regardless of CASS.

Others airlines ONLY accept CASS carriers to their list (i.e. FedEx). Here at SkyWest, we accept CASS and non CASS, but you HAVE to be on our reciprocal jumpseat list. It is just how different airlines operate their jumpseats.

So who would I contact at a particular airline to find out if mine has a reciprocal agreement with them? Or should my airline know everyone that has reciprocal with us?

rickair7777 11-23-2009 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by peterpilot55 (Post 715721)
So who would I contact at a particular airline to find out if mine has a reciprocal agreement with them? Or should my airline know everyone that has reciprocal with us?


You airline should have a list and provide it to you. It's usually in the FOM/GOM.

The nonrev phone for an airline would probably not have the list, but any pilot should.

Almost all domestic 121 operations are reciprocal, unless you just started up last week.

Flyboyrw 11-23-2009 07:38 AM

Just to also throw something in...
I was in SFO trying to go to RDD on skywest, and they could only take 27 people, and the gate agent said they had 18 bags. I was denied, due to weight. Is this normal? I know the emb120 is always restricted, but at sea level with cooler temps and long runways?

ophir 11-23-2009 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboyrw (Post 715784)
Just to also throw something in...
I was in SFO trying to go to RDD on skywest, and they could only take 27 people, and the gate agent said they had 18 bags. I was denied, due to weight. Is this normal? I know the emb120 is always restricted, but at sea level with cooler temps and long runways?

You should ask to speak with the crew in this situation. The agent is just getting a number from Ops with the limits and has no idea what it means. There are instances when the a/c is an aft galley config that adding a jumpseater, in the actual, allows you to take more payload due to the balancing effect on CG.


SKYW seems to have adopted this policy, along with many other airlines, that getting out on time trumps taking ALL the people that want to go to their destination. Getting out on time should be a goal, not an absolute. If we can take one more person, it is worth the delay. That is what we are in business for.

rickair7777 11-23-2009 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboyrw (Post 715784)
Just to also throw something in...
I was in SFO trying to go to RDD on skywest, and they could only take 27 people, and the gate agent said they had 18 bags. I was denied, due to weight. Is this normal? I know the emb120 is always restricted, but at sea level with cooler temps and long runways?

Maybe alternate fuel? But try to speak to the crew in any case.

Flyer2000 11-23-2009 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by RPJ80 (Post 715694)
Sorry to bring back the dead but I have a question. Vision Airlines (V2) is a CASS participant and we do have a reciprocal agreement with SkyWest. Vision does not have agreements with Delta or United at this time. Could I still jumpseat on all SkyWest flights?

Unfortunately, if you do not have an agreement with UAL you cannot be allowed in the cockpit jumpseat of ANY UAX carrier. You SHOULD be able to cabin jumpseat on any UAX carrier you have an agreement with, but agents don't always know where to look in their system.

As for Delta connection... you should not have any problems with any Delta Connection (DCI) carriers you have an agreement with... cockpit or cabin. Each DCI has autonomous authority over its own jumpseat list in the computer system.... which is NOT true on the United Express side.

IrishTiger 11-23-2009 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 715700)
I would guess yes... Otherwise, that agreement with skywest would be pretty useless...


So, vision, eh? What's the deal with those unmarked 767's they always have parked out in IAD?


I asked the Dulles controllers one night, and he said "I can't tell you that, but all I can say is it rhymes with ambition."

All I can come up with is rendition airplanes for the CIA.

Makes sense. I'm always very happy when I see one of them gone. Means they must be taking some turdmonger terrorist back to where he belongs.... and giving him exactly what he deserves. :D

TBucket 11-23-2009 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by IrishTiger (Post 716050)
I asked the Dulles controllers one night, and he said "I can't tell you that, but all I can say is it rhymes with ambition."

All I can come up with is rendition airplanes for the CIA.

Makes sense. I'm always very happy when I see one of them gone. Means they must be taking some turdmonger terrorist back to where he belongs.... and giving him exactly what he deserves. :D


I did a little googling, and apparently the vision pilots are suing the company for not giving them the hazard pay the government is giving the airline for their takeoffs/landings in iraq/afghanistan... Bet that's some crazy flying though...

Desert Sky 11-23-2009 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by IrishTiger (Post 716050)
I asked the Dulles controllers one night, and he said "I can't tell you that, but all I can say is it rhymes with ambition."

All I can come up with is rendition airplanes for the CIA.

Gov't contracts but not "CIA rendition" flights. There are no such things as "CIA rendition" flights...



Originally Posted by TBucket (Post 716132)
I did a little googling, and apparently the vision pilots are suing the company for not giving them the hazard pay the government is giving the airline for their takeoffs/landings in iraq/afghanistan... Bet that's some crazy flying though...

The lawsuit is still pending...

Flyboyrw 11-23-2009 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by ophir (Post 715804)
You should ask to speak with the crew in this situation. The agent is just getting a number from Ops with the limits and has no idea what it means. There are instances when the a/c is an aft galley config that adding a jumpseater, in the actual, allows you to take more payload due to the balancing effect on CG.


SKYW seems to have adopted this policy, along with many other airlines, that getting out on time trumps taking ALL the people that want to go to their destination. Getting out on time should be a goal, not an absolute. If we can take one more person, it is worth the delay. That is what we are in business for.

I did ask the agent to tell the crew there was a jumpseater, and that if they had trouble with the weights I wanted to talk to the crew. The agent told me that he told the crew I was there. They boarded up, and were about 10 mins early. They sat on the ramp for awhile with the door open, and I was hoping they were running numbers to fit me on. Then the door closed and that was it.

Flyboyrw 11-23-2009 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 715829)
Maybe alternate fuel? But try to speak to the crew in any case.

Weather was clear on both ends with no adverse weather in the forecast.

BHopper88 11-23-2009 09:42 PM

yea I doubt the gate agent said anything to the crew... I have never heard an agent tell us "hey there is a OAL jumpseater wanting to get on...." especially in a hub.
I have even had been denied the jumpseat on skywest after talking to the captain and had him waving me to come out because the weights worked for me to sit up front but the gate agent (skywest gate agent) wouldnt let me out the door... (LONG STORY)... AND I WORK FOR SKYWEST...

JetJock16 11-24-2009 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboyrw (Post 715784)
Just to also throw something in...
I was in SFO trying to go to RDD on skywest, and they could only take 27 people, and the gate agent said they had 18 bags. I was denied, due to weight. Is this normal? I know the emb120 is always restricted, but at sea level with cooler temps and long runways?

Letís say it was a heavy bird........

BOW: 17,900 lbs
27 PAX: 5,265 lbs
18 Checked: 540 lbs (assuming no heavyísÖ..?)
10 Gate checked: 300 lbs
ZFW: 24,030 lbs

17900 + 5,265 + 540 + 300 = 24,005 leaves only 25 lbs.

If it were myself and I had know, I'd jam ever last seat and overhead with 6 carry-on's freeing up 180 lbs (180 +25 = 205 lbs)

Also understand that dispatch usually looks at the PAX booked, nonrevís and bags and increases release fuel in order to tanker into outstations where fuel prices are much higher. There was the chance that the crew became aware of you too late and had already filled up.

If I was a betting man Iíd bet that the gate agent never told the crew.

Scooter2525 11-24-2009 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Flyer2000 (Post 716011)
Unfortunately, if you do not have an agreement with UAL you cannot be allowed in the cockpit jumpseat of ANY UAX carrier. You SHOULD be able to cabin jumpseat on any UAX carrier you have an agreement with, but agents don't always know where to look in their system.

As for Delta connection... you should not have any problems with any Delta Connection (DCI) carriers you have an agreement with... cockpit or cabin. Each DCI has autonomous authority over its own jumpseat list in the computer system.... which is NOT true on the United Express side.

Whay about the reverse? IF you have a JS agreement with delta/united, could you ride on SKW even if you didn't have one?

Flyboyrw 11-24-2009 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 716422)
Letís say it was a heavy bird........



If I was a betting man Iíd bet that the gate agent never told the crew.

I would agree.

dontsurf 11-24-2009 08:50 PM

what's the point of talking about that anyway? sorry.

Desert Sky 11-24-2009 09:50 PM

There is no point lol :-p

Flyer2000 11-25-2009 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 716430)
Whay about the reverse? IF you have a JS agreement with delta/united, could you ride on SKW even if you didn't have one?


No, you need to have an agreement with each UAX/DCI carrier. the only reason you cannot access the cockpit on a UAX flight without a UAL agreement is because the CASS codes will ONLY look at what UAL has in their system, not any of the UAX agreement CASS codes.

propjunkie 12-03-2009 02:17 PM

Found a nice site. It lists the airlines and whether they require recip agreements.

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