T/O mins `121
when an interviewer asks what are 121 t/o mins
is it 2 engines or less 1 sm vis more than 2 engines 1/2 sm vis if weather is less than landing mins at departure airport then a t/o alternate must be filed with the requires mins for alternate distances |
Originally Posted by buffalopilot
when an interviewer asks what are 121 t/o mins
is it 2 engines or less 1 sm vis more than 2 engines 1/2 sm vis if weather is less than landing mins at departure airport then a t/o alternate must be filed with the requires mins for alternate distances |
in general, are these the mins they are asking for
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In general, I'd say probably so.
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T/O alternate mins do not include landing mins. T/O alternate mins, as already stated, are published in each airlines Ops Specs. Most are 600 RVR from what I've heard from freinds at other airlines, some are 500 RVR. The only time the T/O alternate comes into play is when the landing mins at the your departure airport are below landing mins. I guess what I'm trying to say is, 121 T/O mins have nothing to do with landing mins at that airport. T/O mins stand alone. And, you can only do the 600 RVR within certain crieteria, such as having RWY centerline lights.
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500/500/500
Most companies are now authorized for and train/ check for 500 RVR take-off's.
The reason for this is that 500 RVR equals 150 meters. 150 meters is the minimum authorized take-off from foreign airports that measure in meters rather than feet. There are no airports in the US that allow for a take-off less than 600 RVR but we need to be authorized to 500 RVR to be able to to go down to 150 meters. RVR values this low only measure in even numbers such as 400, 600, 800, etc. therefore you will never see 500 RVR except in training or checkrides. BTW: 600 RVR is 175 meters... |
Originally Posted by buffalopilot
when an interviewer asks what are 121 t/o mins
is it 2 engines or less 1 sm vis more than 2 engines 1/2 sm vis if weather is less than landing mins at departure airport then a t/o alternate must be filed with the requires mins for alternate distances |
Originally Posted by Calpilot
There are no airports in the US that allow for a take-off less than 600 RVR but we need to be authorized to 500 RVR to be able to to go down to 150 meters. RVR values this low only measure in even numbers such as 400, 600, 800, etc. therefore you will never see 500 RVR except in training or checkrides.
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Its not 5/5/5 if your ops specs say 6/6/6
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So if the t/o mins on the plate are greater than what the op specs are, you follow the specs right?
say the departure says t/o mins are 800RVR and ops specs say 600RVR which one do you follow? |
Originally Posted by buffalopilot
So if the t/o mins on the plate are greater than what the op specs are, you follow the specs right?
say the departure says t/o mins are 800RVR and ops specs say 600RVR which one do you follow? |
Your operations specifications authorizes you to conduct an operation. In this case it is 500 RVR. However, you cannot operate below a visibility that is published on a chart.
If a published take-off minimum is greater than standard take-off minimums then you cannot depart below the published minimums. |
Originally Posted by buffalopilot
So if the t/o mins on the plate are greater than what the op specs are, you follow the specs right?
say the departure says t/o mins are 800RVR and ops specs say 600RVR which one do you follow? |
Originally Posted by Calpilot
. There are no airports in the US that allow for a take-off less than 600 RVR ...
FAA Approved OpSpec: For visibility less than 600 RVR down to 300 RVR with 3 transmissometers installed, observe the following restrictions. All the following visual aids must be available: - Operative high intensity runway lights (HIRL), - Operative runway centerline lights (CL), and - Runway centerline markings (RCLM). If all three transmissometers are operating, they are all controlling and must be at or above 300 RVR. If any two of the three transmissometers are operative, takeoff is permitted if the two operative transmissometers are reporting 300 RVR or above. Less than 600 RVR takeoff must be specifically authorized on the Jeppesen -9A page (10-9A or equivalent). Use HGS takeoff procedures. The following aircraft equipment must be used: - The HGS system - Both Pilots’ ILS receivers The CA must be HGS trained, qualified, and current. The FO must be HGS trained. The maximum crosswind is limited to 10 knots, and the maximum headwind is limited to 25 knots. |
What are the distance requirements for a takeoff alternate? Are the weather mins the same for a takeoff alternate as they are for a destination alternate, 600/2 or 800/2?
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Originally Posted by Razor
(Post 260740)
What are the distance requirements for a takeoff alternate? Are the weather mins the same for a takeoff alternate as they are for a destination alternate, 600/2 or 800/2?
121.617 Alternate airport for departure. (a) If the weather conditions at the airport of takeoff are below the landing minimums in the certificate holder's operations specifications for that airport, no person may dispatch or release an aircraft from that airport unless the dispatch or flight release specifies an alternate airport located within the following distances from the airport of takeoff: (1) Aircraft having two engines. Not more than one hour from the departure airport at normal cruising speed in still air with one engine inoperative. (2) Aircraft having three or more engines. Not more than two hours from the departure airport at normal cruising speed in still air with one engine inoperative. (b) For the purpose of paragraph (a) of this section, the alternate airport weather conditions must meet the requirements of the certificate holder's operations specifications. (c) No person may dispatch or release an aircraft from an airport unless he lists each required alternate airport in the dispatch or flight release. |
Thanks for including the reference too!
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It may depend on the the way the person is interviewing you. He may want to hear BOTH. To see if you are up on your FARs as well as your own company's OP SPECS.
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Originally Posted by Razor
(Post 260740)
What are the distance requirements for a takeoff alternate? Are the weather mins the same for a takeoff alternate as they are for a destination alternate, 600/2 or 800/2?
The 3 separate FOM's I have worked under say that ALL alternates must comply with the same criteria. Also, most 121 operators use a different method to determine alternate minimums. It's OP SPEC c55. Some call it method 1/method 2. Has to deal with how many navaids/usable approaches at the alternate, etc. One says that if there are TWO approaches to add 200 ft and a 1/2 mile to both, the other says to add 400 ft and 1 mile if only using 1 approach. The LOWEST you could ever go would be 400/1 using the method where you add 200ft and 1/2 mile, assuming you had 2 separate usable approaches that had the same published mins. |
Originally Posted by Sennaha
(Post 19691)
Its not 5/5/5 if your ops specs say 6/6/6
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STANDARD TURBO JET TAKEOFF MINIMUMS ARE 5000 RVR OR 1 MILE
The airline doesn't expect you to know their ops specs. (unless you've worked for another airline) Tell them standard turbojet t/o mins are 5000 or 1. And then mention that OPSSPECS allows you to take off at lower than standard visibilities if you meet certain training and ground equipment requirements. |
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