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buffalopilot 02-27-2006 06:52 AM

T/O mins `121
 
when an interviewer asks what are 121 t/o mins

is it

2 engines or less 1 sm vis
more than 2 engines 1/2 sm vis

if weather is less than landing mins at departure airport then a t/o alternate must be filed with the requires mins for alternate distances

Slice 02-27-2006 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot
when an interviewer asks what are 121 t/o mins

is it

2 engines or less 1 sm vis
more than 2 engines 1/2 sm vis

if weather is less than landing mins at departure airport then a t/o alternate must be filed with the requires mins for alternate distances

Depends on the company's ops specs. We can go down to 600rvr at my airline if runway lighting is sufficient.

buffalopilot 02-27-2006 07:42 AM

in general, are these the mins they are asking for

Slice 02-27-2006 07:43 AM

In general, I'd say probably so.

IFlyFL410 02-27-2006 09:58 AM

T/O alternate mins do not include landing mins. T/O alternate mins, as already stated, are published in each airlines Ops Specs. Most are 600 RVR from what I've heard from freinds at other airlines, some are 500 RVR. The only time the T/O alternate comes into play is when the landing mins at the your departure airport are below landing mins. I guess what I'm trying to say is, 121 T/O mins have nothing to do with landing mins at that airport. T/O mins stand alone. And, you can only do the 600 RVR within certain crieteria, such as having RWY centerline lights.

Calpilot 02-27-2006 11:40 AM

500/500/500
 
Most companies are now authorized for and train/ check for 500 RVR take-off's.

The reason for this is that 500 RVR equals 150 meters. 150 meters is the minimum authorized take-off from foreign airports that measure in meters rather than feet. There are no airports in the US that allow for a take-off less than 600 RVR but we need to be authorized to 500 RVR to be able to to go down to 150 meters. RVR values this low only measure in even numbers such as 400, 600, 800, etc. therefore you will never see 500 RVR except in training or checkrides.

BTW: 600 RVR is 175 meters...

Calpilot 02-27-2006 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot
when an interviewer asks what are 121 t/o mins

is it

2 engines or less 1 sm vis
more than 2 engines 1/2 sm vis

if weather is less than landing mins at departure airport then a t/o alternate must be filed with the requires mins for alternate distances

These are standard take-off minimums. If the airport has published take-off minimums that are greater than standard then you may not take-off below the published minimums.

erjguy 02-27-2006 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Calpilot
There are no airports in the US that allow for a take-off less than 600 RVR but we need to be authorized to 500 RVR to be able to to go down to 150 meters. RVR values this low only measure in even numbers such as 400, 600, 800, etc. therefore you will never see 500 RVR except in training or checkrides.

According to the -9 for Memphis, runways 18R, 18C, 18L, 36R, 36C, and 36L have T/O mins of 5/5/5. I just saw this the other day and thought it was interesting.

Sennaha 02-27-2006 05:45 PM

Its not 5/5/5 if your ops specs say 6/6/6

buffalopilot 02-28-2006 06:04 AM

So if the t/o mins on the plate are greater than what the op specs are, you follow the specs right?

say the departure says t/o mins are 800RVR and ops specs say 600RVR which one do you follow?

rickair7777 02-28-2006 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot
So if the t/o mins on the plate are greater than what the op specs are, you follow the specs right?

say the departure says t/o mins are 800RVR and ops specs say 600RVR which one do you follow?

It depends. It is usually the most conservative of the two, but it is possible to have SPECIFIC opspecs for that specific airport that are lower than the standard mins. I would think that an airline that does this would have their jepps modified accordingly, but not sure.

Calpilot 02-28-2006 06:52 AM

Your operations specifications authorizes you to conduct an operation. In this case it is 500 RVR. However, you cannot operate below a visibility that is published on a chart.

If a published take-off minimum is greater than standard take-off minimums then you cannot depart below the published minimums.

IFlyFL410 02-28-2006 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by buffalopilot
So if the t/o mins on the plate are greater than what the op specs are, you follow the specs right?

say the departure says t/o mins are 800RVR and ops specs say 600RVR which one do you follow?

The RWY you are on has to be 600 RVR approved. Just because your airline is certified to 600 RVR, that doesn't mean that you can go below that 800. If that were the case, we'd be doing 600 RVR T/O's everywhere we go.

SWAcapt 02-28-2006 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by Calpilot
. There are no airports in the US that allow for a take-off less than 600 RVR ...

So when did SLC and SEA sucede from the US? Your statement is flat out wrong. Our OpSpec, equipment, and training allow us to takeoff at these two airports down to 300/300/300. Ive done one at SEA.

FAA Approved
OpSpec: For visibility less than 600 RVR down to 300 RVR with 3
transmissometers installed, observe the following restrictions.
All the following visual aids must be available:
- Operative high intensity runway lights (HIRL),
- Operative runway centerline lights (CL), and
- Runway centerline markings (RCLM).
If all three transmissometers are operating, they are all controlling and
must be at or above 300 RVR.
If any two of the three transmissometers are operative, takeoff is
permitted if the two operative transmissometers are reporting 300
RVR or above.
Less than 600 RVR takeoff must be specifically authorized on the
Jeppesen -9A page (10-9A or equivalent).
Use HGS takeoff procedures.
The following aircraft equipment must be used:
- The HGS system
- Both Pilots’ ILS receivers
The CA must be HGS trained, qualified, and current.
The FO must be HGS trained.
The maximum crosswind is limited to 10 knots, and the maximum
headwind is limited to 25 knots.

Razor 11-09-2007 10:46 AM

What are the distance requirements for a takeoff alternate? Are the weather mins the same for a takeoff alternate as they are for a destination alternate, 600/2 or 800/2?

Blkflyer 11-09-2007 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 260740)
What are the distance requirements for a takeoff alternate? Are the weather mins the same for a takeoff alternate as they are for a destination alternate, 600/2 or 800/2?

[B]
121.617 Alternate airport for departure.


(a) If the weather conditions at the airport of takeoff are below the landing minimums in the certificate holder's operations specifications for that airport, no person may dispatch or release an aircraft from that airport unless the dispatch or flight release specifies an alternate airport located within the following distances from the airport of takeoff:

(1) Aircraft having two engines. Not more than one hour from the departure airport at normal cruising speed in still air with one engine inoperative.

(2) Aircraft having three or more engines. Not more than two hours from the departure airport at normal cruising speed in still air with one engine inoperative.

(b) For the purpose of paragraph (a) of this section, the alternate airport weather conditions must meet the requirements of the certificate holder's operations specifications.

(c) No person may dispatch or release an aircraft from an airport unless he lists each required alternate airport in the dispatch or flight release.

Razor 11-09-2007 11:42 AM

Thanks for including the reference too!

dojetdriver 11-09-2007 02:54 PM

It may depend on the the way the person is interviewing you. He may want to hear BOTH. To see if you are up on your FARs as well as your own company's OP SPECS.

dojetdriver 11-09-2007 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Razor (Post 260740)
What are the distance requirements for a takeoff alternate? Are the weather mins the same for a takeoff alternate as they are for a destination alternate, 600/2 or 800/2?


The 3 separate FOM's I have worked under say that ALL alternates must comply with the same criteria.

Also, most 121 operators use a different method to determine alternate minimums. It's OP SPEC c55. Some call it method 1/method 2.

Has to deal with how many navaids/usable approaches at the alternate, etc. One says that if there are TWO approaches to add 200 ft and a 1/2 mile to both, the other says to add 400 ft and 1 mile if only using 1 approach.

The LOWEST you could ever go would be 400/1 using the method where you add 200ft and 1/2 mile, assuming you had 2 separate usable approaches that had the same published mins.

TheProfessionalPilot 11-11-2007 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Sennaha (Post 19691)
Its not 5/5/5 if your ops specs say 6/6/6

Yikes mark of the beast!

andy171773 11-12-2007 08:13 AM

STANDARD TURBO JET TAKEOFF MINIMUMS ARE 5000 RVR OR 1 MILE

The airline doesn't expect you to know their ops specs. (unless you've worked for another airline) Tell them standard turbojet t/o mins are 5000 or 1. And then mention that OPSSPECS allows you to take off at lower than standard visibilities if you meet certain training and ground equipment requirements.


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