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aviator921 06-12-2008 04:35 PM

Mesa Contract
 
Does anyone that has quit MAG no how the contract works. I signed a promisary note but it doesnt mention when it starts. Does it take affect after the type or IOE.

CRJDriver 06-12-2008 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by aviator921 (Post 403109)
Does anyone that has quit MAG no how the contract works. I signed a promisary note but it doesnt mention when it starts. Does it take affect after the type or IOE.

Did you read the contract before signing? I would imagine it would be in there somewhere...

PS: You need to check your spelling!

rickair7777 06-12-2008 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 403122)
Did you read the contract before signing? I would imagine it would be in there somewhere...

PS: You need to check your spelling!


I don't think the contract specifies in detail, it says something like "after completion of training"...which has always been interpreted as IOE, since that is the final phase of training. I don't think even mesa would try to argue that one.

pokey9554 06-12-2008 06:47 PM

After your type ride.

WhizWheel 06-12-2008 07:50 PM

Yup, date of checkride.

whatthe6789 06-12-2008 08:39 PM

wouldnt SOE be training too?

Slice 06-12-2008 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by whatthe6789 (Post 403288)
wouldnt SOE be training too?

I'm sorry, I'm new and only have flown 121 for 11 years...SOE?

whatthe6789 06-13-2008 08:01 AM

sorry, i dont know if this is an AQP only thing or not, but Supervised Operational Experience, where you fly as an FO with a training capt. for a certain number of legs before you go out on the line...

Slice 06-13-2008 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by whatthe6789 (Post 403432)
sorry, i dont know if this is an AQP only thing or not, but Supervised Operational Experience, where you fly as an FO with a training capt. for a certain number of legs before you go out on the line...

I must be getting old. It was always IOE to me...

king10pin02 06-13-2008 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by whatthe6789 (Post 403432)
sorry, i dont know if this is an AQP only thing or not, but Supervised Operational Experience, where you fly as an FO with a training capt. for a certain number of legs before you go out on the line...

IOE(initial operational experience) to the rest of the world

paxhauler85 06-13-2008 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by whatthe6789 (Post 403288)
wouldnt SOE be training too?

Yes, it is training. But, the language in the contract states the date of the initial checkride as the time when the 12 months begins.

powrful1 06-13-2008 10:55 AM

So if you quit before your checkride then you owe nothing, if you "fail" to pass IOE you pay nothing.....

The Mesa contract does start at check ride not date of hire for payback proration....blows but it is what it is...thank goodness I got off that rollercoaster last week.

dashes0f8 06-13-2008 12:42 PM

The contract starts the day you pass your first PC. I know it used to be when finished with IOE, but if you would have been listening during ground school when the head of ground training handed out the contract and explained it, you would have heard " it starts the day you pass your first PC." Of course if you were to go out and not be able to finish IOE and resigned then you would owe nothing. Or maybe you just have a medical problem that would prevent you from flying for awhile that might be solved after you let the company know you could no longer exercise the privelages of that 1st class medical and would like to pursue another job where a 1st class medical is not required. There is always a way out for those resourceful enough to find it. Just remember that it is all in what the paperwork says not what was said.


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