AA FA tried to sneak a JS...
 

FA tried to jumpseat in the back of my plane...did not even introduce her self...the JS form was obviously half empty...asked my FA to tell her the CA wanted to speak to her...she came up and I saw her pinstripes...asked her if she was a pilot...nope... 'Lady you can't jumpseat you're not a Pilot'...this is not the sixties anymore (thats my license your fooling with)...
Didnt help that AA has bumped ME numerous times with over 50 SA in the back...
Sneaky FA...get off my plane...:p

I thought FA's could ride in the back as long as their was space or in an FA jumpseat?

Who do you work for? Some carriers allow OAL FAs to jumpseat in the cabin, some even on the actual jumpseat.

Depends on company policy. A lot of companies don't want non-company FA's (or pilots) in FA jumpseats because the pax will be asking them for stuff....creates confusion.

Some companies allow FA's to JS in empty cabin seats, some don't. Normally reciprocal agreements.

I should have given more detail...
She was an offline FA trying to JS in the back...Anytime you JS it is common courtesy to introduce yourself to the CA and ASK to sit in your JS. My company does not permit any FA (even our own) in any JS if not working. This AA FA actually lied to my face and said she had the JS on my company last week. She bought an ID90 to get on my plane.

It might stem from the fact that for the FAs, there is a hodge-podge of procedures for different carriers, whereas every carrier handles pilots the same way. At Delta, we allow OAL FAs to "jumpseat," but in actuality they are really on an ID100, so they are not allowed to occupy an actual jumpseat and do not have to check in with the captain, because they are really non-reving.

It must be confusing for them...however...she should not have lied to my face and said she did it last week on my company...
When JS they should always ASK CA for JS...
Non-reving is a different story...
Poor FA's they should have more agreements...

If she was going to be riding in the FA Jumpseat I dont think she should need to talk to you. Actually I would perfer that they never come up and speak to me.

She's gotta be cute if she is coming up to chat.

Come on it's a FA.... Did you actually kick her off?

Mainy airlines now allow FA's to occuppy a seat in the back via "the FA JS." I know JB DL AA USair and UAL allow this. The gate checks the FA in via the mainline check in rules. Often times the gate agents have no idea that RJ company they are leting them on (b/c there are so many of them) so they just use the normal mainline procedures.

I highly doubt you would ever get in any trouble for someone sitting in the cabin, pilot fa mech dispatcher or who ever. The mainline carrier that you fly for OWNs the seats, and gate agents control who sits in the seats, not the pilots! The CA only control who sits in the actual JS's.


You want unlimited JS on AA, then you need your company to allow unlimited JS. AA jumpseat coordantor can help you get unlimited JS with AA if your company allows unlimited JS. Do take it out on others. In the mean time... have a zed fare or ID90 in your back pocket if you are not unlimited in the AA res system....

You sound like a joy to fly with. :rolleyes:

That's exactly what I was thinking... :D

I was thinking the same thing. Can anyone say POWER TRIP?

[QUOTE=JiffyLube;418998]Mainy airlines now allow FA's to occuppy a seat in the back via "the FA JS." I know JB DL AA USair and UAL allow this. The gate checks the FA in via the mainline check in rules. Often times the gate agents have no idea that RJ company they are leting them on (b/c there are so many of them) so they just use the normal mainline procedures.

I highly doubt you would ever get in any trouble for someone sitting in the cabin, pilot fa mech dispatcher or who ever. The mainline carrier that you fly for OWNs the seats, and gate agents control who sits in the seats, not the pilots! The CA only control who sits in the actual JS's.


Then why did AA bump me twice...over 50 SA...went to NWA they're always good to me...its called a RECIP Program for a reason...
You cannot LIST as a JS, fill out a JS form if you are an FA at my company..sad but true...its in BLACK and WHITE...i did mention she was OFFLINE ... she wasnt nonreving...


Do take it out on others. In the mean time...

I will not "take it out on others"...actually you, yourself just said that you most likely wouldn't get into trouble if you sat in the cabin. Why would AA bump me twice with over 50SA, two different capt, two different times...quite a pattern with AA

thanks for the input...its quite clear to me...I will stick to the RULES and I will help my fellow commuter pilots get home or to work...

Agreed. She probably didn't know any better. Lets assume ignorance before malice.

please, have you ever had a CAL F/A jump on your plane and just throw there crew bag in the crew closet, and just sit down, the most obnoxious thing in the world. Could you imagine if an Express F/A did that on a CAL plane:eek:

AA Fa's ride on us all the time - They never say a word to us up front - I just had a AA FA totally hook me up while I was jumping home because she rides on us all the time and we treat her good apparently - The MegaBite cookies are a heart attack. I spoke with one of our FA's and they have the same deal on AA - They just say hello to the cabin crew. No need for them to say hello to the capt. It's in their agreement - Who do you work for? You sound like a joy...Or you don't commute - Hope you didnt make a commute home for one of your fellow pilots middle seat misery because of your attitude with her...

We've had similar issues here at Colgan with CAL FAs trying to jumpseat on us. We do not have a reciprocal FA jumpseat agreement with CAL. There are a couple of commuters that try to jumpseat rather than nonrev to save the money. The captain I was flying with asked me what I thought, I told him I thought it should be up to the flight attendant, as it's not my toes being stepped on here. The FA agreed, on the condition that the CAL FA would contact her jumpseat coordinator and tell them she was denied and that we need to work out an agreement.

You get more flies with honey...

(to save the comments later - we do not have an extra FA jumpseat, I'm just talking about jumpseat privileges for a cabin seat. Also, continental has not purchased the seats on our saabs, we only get paid for the seats that have butts in them. I believe it's different on our Qs.)

If there is an open seat why be a jerk about it. I had to j/s the other day and was given a seat assignment in the back but still always check in with the CA and FO to ask for the ride. Watching this CA not even introduce himself or his FO after I did was the first sign of his attitude. He wanted to see all of my licenses, medical and crew badge to which he gave everyone a solid inspection. Why all this to sit in the back?

After the inspection he handed me everything and said "I'll let you ride." So I smiled and walked by the many empty first class seats and sat in my assigned seat of 27B (oh yes a middle.)

Point is why must we go out of our ways at time to make a commuter feel like a pain in our side. If you are not riding the jump and you need to get home, welcome aboard and take a seat.

You would rather not know that you had a resource back there? Wow....:cool:

You're gonna be a good Captain someday O.J.

I dunno...I've never heard of a FA having to ask for a ride!

If the cabin JS is been taking by a FA, the captain say ride or not. Like I said before, different history if you have a boarding pass with a seat number assigned.

If you are a legit non-rev, you technically don't need to check in although it's a nice courtesy if time permits.

If you are a jumpseater,even with a cabin seat, you need to check in (especially if you are offline). If you don't do this, don't be surprised when you get booted.

It is not a company decision, a CA can still bump you if you do not check in. Granted some CA's give you a crazy look when you check in with a seat assignment but the one time you dont check in will be the time you get called to the front when the CA sees a jump on his loadsheet and nobody came up to say hi

Don't try that at Delta. If you list as a jumpseater, and then the agent gives you a seat in the back, you are still a jumpseater and are listed on the paperwork like that. At least 80%+ guys will kick you off for not checking in, or at least make you come to the front and give you a lecture.

Now, if you are an actual nonrev, and hold a seat request card, or are on any kind of ID??, then you don't have to check in. This includes OAL FAs who are actually on an ID100, even though they refer to it as "jumpseating."

Was she hot? If so no problem, but you get one of those heifers/holstiens with the 'tude I'm like hey cappy, see that two legged bovine grazing on the Biscoffs? Well..............

A little courtesy goes a long way in the biz, hot or not, its' just courtesy to say hi. I had a UPS jumpseater once, he came across as a arrogant pompous jerk at first, but after that, he was okay. I was jumpseating on go jet once, or tried to, the captain threw me off saying he had a United guy needing to go to work, he was leaving O'hare.

Well,made me a little late for my show time. Anyway later, that same Captain tried to jumpseat when I was in control. I told him to go INTERCOURSE YOURSELF.

What airline do you work for? AA has Limited and Unlimited JS agreements. If your carrier allows unlimited JSers then AA allows as many of your pilots on an AA flight as there are seats. If your company allow only 1 JS regardless of seats in the back then AA reciopactes that and will on let 1 JSer from your company. Thats probly why you were not allowed on. Just depends on your company.

I hope that was sarcasm...

HAHA

having a boarding pass does not mean you are not a jumpseater.
AA & AE jumpseaters are ticketed, with a boarding pass, seat assignment 1W unless they got an open seat in back, but will still get a boarding pass with seat assignment...

We (Pinnacle/NW) allow unlimited jumpseaters but AA only allows us 1 jumpseater for each physical jumpseat... which usually makes our jsa with them worthless.

Never mind that f/a's commute just like pilots, lets just throw some "I'm the Captain" attitude their way. I'm sure your jumpseating experience will only improve at AA from here on out. Whatever happened to helping people out. I'm sure your stock went way up with your own crewas well that day. But really, thanks, just another reason for f/a's to hold us all in even lower regard. Remember, they don't view us as individuals, we're all the same to them, so if one of us goes out of their way to make their commute difficult, you can guarantee, she'll go out of her way to make ours difficult too.

Whoever started this thread, did you run over your mother backing out of the driveway on the way to the airport? Look let her on and then remind her you don't have a jumpseat agreement then maybe next time you will get your free donuts. (And yes The Juice will make a good captain and a great tipper.)

[quote=skidmark;421721]Whoever started this thread, did you run over your mother backing out of the driveway on the way to the airport? Look let her on and then remind her you don't have a jumpseat agreement then maybe next time you will get your free donuts.

You guys are nuts... It sounds like he was following company policy! Does anyone here want to be canned for being a nice guy and just letting her pass with an, "Well, alright, but don't let it happen again." I for one will never be fired for following the ops specs and manual.:(

Dude the manual has nothing to do with it. Captain's discretion homie.