Very crappy Industry
 

Who plans to furlough or has furloughed or announced furloughs so far this year?
2008 sucks to be a pilot God speed for all those affected

Aloha
Skybus
ATA
Big Sky
Spirit
Airtran
Gulfstream
Comair
XJET
United
Colgan
Air Wisconsin
Horizon
Skyway
TSA
Frontier
EOS
Mesa
Sun Country
USA 3000
US Airways
Midwest


Hiring?

Pinnacle
Piedmont
Compass
Go Jets
Skywest
Southwest
Virgin


Did I leave anyone out?

You can add PSA to the "F" list

Eagle will announce furloughs at the end of the month.

Mesaba may be pulling from our hiring pool in then near future.


"Hire until you furlough, furlough until you hire"

You forgot Gemini

Very sad industry.

It's booming overseas....Go figure.

SkyWest stopped hiring

Mesa has not announced a furlough. They have issued the "Warn Letter" and indicated that furloughs could become a possibility if the DAL contract dispute is not resolved in MAG's favor.

Mesa will hold a "Pilot Opportunity Meeting" on 1 Aug in Chicago.

Here is a link about it;

FLTops.com: Guiding Pilots to their Professional Goals

I guess that means that Mesa could be in both columns.

i am gonna go fi.com on this thread and say mesa sucks

Champion Air
Kitty Hawk, most of Kitty Hawk's demise was at the end of 2007 though.

Maxjet is on the F-list.

Piedmont is no longer hiring, as of now, for the rest of 2008. They plan on pulling pilots from the pool to finish the year.

I suspect RAH will probably drop a couple pilots somewhere down the road...

UPS will be hiring soon, but you have to fly at night and wear a brown uniform. Because of that, most of you probably won't be interested in applying to fly there.

I look sexy in brown. I know as I once was a driver for them.

Welcome to $140 oil. It will get worse unless this is fixed.

Not one of those airlines was planning this.

Did people actually tell you that, or did you arrive at that conclusion on your own?:eek:


"I'm to sexy for my job, too sexy for my job..."

Ferris Buehler's Day Off

Be careful, your company, which also happens to be mine was on the "F" list not too long ago, and was almost on the "no longer in existence list". All it would it take is dropping the last two letters and you yourself could be one of those that sucks.

Great Lakes is hiring.

i don't think eagle will furlough...just a huge displacement...

i am workin on my instrument and am looking ahead and see no light.
I hear everyone talk about cycles - i dont believe that excuse this time with the oil crisis facing the world.
I have the opportunity to get a pilot slot in the Navy or USAF. But I also have opportunities to CFI with my University and fly skydivers this summer and next and just CFI until I get minimums. I love commercial aviation before military but at least the military wont run out of fuel...they dont really have that issue....
is the military a better way to go?

You can never go wrong as a military pilot. It's great experience, a steady pay check, and the best training. I think going military is the best way to enter the career.

Considering the fuel situation, are there drawdowns in the military regarding available pilot slots, available flying rosters and tours when budgets and costs become of prime concern?

Also, what should he know about things like UAV assignments and other less than ideal situations an aspiring military pilot could find himself in due to budget constraints, new technologies, etc?

I intend for these to be fair questions, so our friend can make an informed decision.

The military does not drawdown based on fuel prices. They can just spend the money, although you might see less flight time and more sim time as a budgetary measure.

Actually the USAF is gearing up to manufacture their own jet fuel.

UAV's are a risk, but if you get into heavies (tankers and transports) they will always be manned for the forseeable future.

The military budget is usually determined by percieved threats, not the economy or oil prices...and there are currently plenty of threats, between islamic terrorism and the proliferation of high-tech weapons and nuclear programs among non-friendly and rogue nations.

Technology will replace some high-risk human jobs, but the techy operators will probably outnumber the replaced soldiers...and their jobs will be safer and more comfortable.

I would assume that the military will not do large drawdowns during your career (next 20-30 years). However, the military is an up-or-out organization...you have to perform competively at every level to advance and stay in long enough to reach retirement.

Very good. Thanks. Hope kocham see that.

Flying skydivers and CFIing as an undergrad? I-L-L?

Vision Airlines dropped the f-bomb today....all the guys in their April class and 25% of the guys on the line.

Vision does mainly canyon tours out of North Las Vegas in the Dornier 228, 328 and 328-Jet but also flies limited scheduled service to Bullhead City, Phoenix (Williams Gateway) and Carlsbad. They also operate four 737s on government contract internationally.

This will be a cycle, eventually the retirements will kick in at full force and there are ALOT coming up. Combine that with people not wanting to get into this crazy industry anymore you have a recipe for a cycle. With that said the military option is a great one also and some would call you crazy not to take it if given the opportunity. I always wanted to do the military pilot gig but got lucky in the commercial arena first + family made the military not an option anymore. Both would be good choices but i think the military path would be the most fun and fulfilling. Good luck with whichever you choose.

Well, you get to serve your country, for one. You are not going to beat that in any civilian flying job.

I disagree. Military flying isn't the only way to serve your country in a flying job. Aerial Fire Fighting, civilian gov't flying jobs, charitable flying jobs etc.

surprised i didn't read more of the "if you're heart isn't in the military, then a flight job might not be for you" yet....It'd be something to consider, as many posters on here typically say, in the military your flight time is considerably low, and much of your time is spent doing non-flying duties, as a result, it will take much longer for you to reach those major airline minimums, however, when you do, you'll probably have enough connections and quality flight time to get the job.

I'd just worry that if you have no real interest in military flying, or the military lifestyle, that you'd enjoy being part of the service, day in and out, for years at a time.

Airlines fly CRAF, or you can fly DoD with ATI, Omni, World, North American, Atlas, Polar, Kalitta...

Who'd I forget?

if it sucks so bad then why do it?

I got two emails from different airlines today that were up in arms about "speculators," known up until a couple of weeks ago as commodities traders. I guess it is easier to attack an imaginary threat than deal with thirty years of caving in to environmental "special interest" groups.

We havn't built a refinery since the 70s and nuclear plants are not much different. We have billions of barrels of oil domestically, but 90% of it is off limits to drilling. Worldwide and domestically demand has increased while production has decreased.

It took us decades to get into this mess and there is no quick fix.