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WIPilot 07-10-2008 02:10 PM

wasnt sure myself so I looked it up earlier and it is june of next year

Ftrooppilot 07-10-2008 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by xjsaab (Post 422861)
Isn't farnborough coming up soon. Ok so maybe my source didn't know what he was talking about.

He did. Try here.

14 - 20 July 2008 Farnborough International Airshow

http://www.farnborough.com/Site/Content/intro.aspx

Bombardier Aerospace Chalet Number: C1 - 3, OE20

Static Display Aircraft

Bombardier
Dash8 Q300 Field Aviation/Swedish Coast Guard
Dash 8 Q400
CRJ 900
Global 5000
Challenger 605
Learjet 60 XR

G2TT 07-11-2008 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 422051)
More CRJ900 for Mesaba ?



Compass sold to improve cash position ?

Wow that gets you guys excited. I don't know what would make you happier, more 900's or to get rid of Compass.

Tinpusher007 07-11-2008 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by G2TT (Post 423341)
Wow that gets you guys excited. I don't know what would make you happier, more 900's or to get rid of Compass.

The thought of growth during a time when almost everyone else is parking planes and furloughing would get anyone excited, no? And I don't think anyone at XJ wants to see anything bad happen to Compass people. However, the fact that NWA has both companies flying the exact number (36) but two different types of 76 seaters is a bit unnerving. How about we all just play nice and keep dancing till the music stops.

Ftrooppilot 07-11-2008 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by G2TT (Post 423341)
Wow that gets you guys excited. I don't know what would make you happier, more 900's or to get rid of Compass.

"You guys ????" Am not nor ever been a Mesaba or Compass employee. Trying to look at what makes good "business sense" for NWA (eventually Big D).

Selling Compass is not getting rid of them if it raises cash and NWA writes a regional support contract with the new owners. It could protect Compass pilots from NWA furlough displacements.

I'll let one of the NWA contract experts correct me but I believe that "if Compass aircraft are sold" it clears the way for Mesaba to add up to fifty four more CRJ900s.

Schwartz 07-11-2008 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 423459)
"You guys ????" Am not nor ever been a Mesaba or Compass employee. Trying to look at what makes good "business sense" for NWA (eventually Big D).

Selling Compass is not getting rid of them if it raises cash and NWA writes a regional support contract with the new owners. It could protect Compass pilots from NWA furlough displacements.

I'll let one of the NWA contract experts correct me but I believe that "if Compass aircraft are sold" it clears the way for Mesaba to add up to fifty four more CRJ900s.

Your post is incorrect except for the part about you never working for CP or XJ (sounds harsh, sorry).

Unlike the current NWA CBA, the JPWA (joint pilot working agreement) does not have language that prevents or restricts the sale of CPS so that can be done after the deal closes. If the flow up/down is not maintained at CPS/DAL, the number of 71 to 76 seat jets that can be flown at the regionals is reduced by 35. Only 120 71 to 76 seat jets can be flown under the JPWA (until the mainline fleet grows).

CP: 36
XJ: 36
Comair: 13
SKW: 17 (I think they are configured to 70 seats)
RAH: 15 (I think)
MAG: 14
PCL: 16

Total: 130 to 147 depending on if SKW has 70 or 76 seat configurations

If these numbers are correct, there is no more room for growth in the 71 to 76 seat market. Please correct me if they are not correct. I know that they might be getting rid of 9E but that would still put them over the limit of 76 seaters. I wonder if they plan on reducing some to 70 seats. There is room for 255 total RJs that are more than 50 seats. I don't know where they are in that number.

DeltaPaySoon 07-11-2008 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Schwartz (Post 423559)
If these numbers are correct, there is no more room for growth in the 71 to 76 seat market. Please correct me if they are not correct.


I believe the number of 70-76 seaters is 200. MAG lost their 900 flying and if PNC continues to struggle, that will leave approximately 35 open. I would look for a wholly owned from the NWA merger to get those and keep profits in house.

Rook 07-11-2008 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Schwartz (Post 423559)
I know that they might be getting rid of 9E

What are you basing this on? Is it because they're not wholly owned, Or because of the lack of a contract. No flame please.

Schwartz 07-11-2008 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon (Post 423565)
I believe the number of 70-76 seaters is 200. MAG lost their 900 flying and if PNC continues to struggle, that will leave approximately 35 open. I would look for a wholly owned from the NWA merger to get those and keep profits in house.

No, 71 to 76 seaters is 120 - that much I know. I have the JPWA right here but I am trying to figure out how many A/C each company has.


Originally Posted by Rook (Post 423566)
What are you basing this on? Is it because they're not wholly owned, Or because of the lack of a contract. No flame please.

I just mean 76 seaters. It's no secret that they are trying to cut 9E's CRJ900 contract, or at least shake them up a bit.

WIPilot 07-11-2008 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaPaySoon (Post 423565)
I believe the number of 70-76 seaters is 200. MAG lost their 900 flying and if PNC continues to struggle, that will leave approximately 35 open. I would look for a wholly owned from the NWA merger to get those and keep profits in house.

mesa lost their 50 seaters....not their 900's.


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