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bsh932 07-10-2008 01:23 PM

ASA Reserve
 
Can anybody at ASA shed some light on the bidding process for reserve. I am I new FO. They built me a line for July, but I will be on reserve in August. How and when do I bid for my reserve schedule. And when will I know my schedule for the following month. Any infoon the process would be great. Thanks

ThunderChicken 07-10-2008 02:00 PM

The bid package is out now for August on Flica. On Reserve you are basically just going to bid on your Golden Days. The Reserve Lines are at the very end of the list and are numbered 701-714 or 715 I can't remember. Look at the sets of Golden Days, and list them in the preference you want them. Keep in mind you probably won't get your first choice unless you want Mon-Wed off. You will know your Golden Days the evening of the 14th, but won't know your final schedule until the evening of the 24th. The lines come out on the 10th of each month and you have to bid by the 14th at 5 pm I think, it tells it all on Flica.

afterburn81 07-10-2008 02:18 PM

Wow, and I just noticed we now have 205 FO's on the CR7. I think they are a little late on getting fat. Not sure what they were ramping up for but last month there were about 175 and I think it was down around 165 in the spring. It must be residual effects from the hiring days. All I can say is that there are going to be a lot of guys sitting around if they reduce the flying anymore than it is. And I have a feeling that is inevitable at the moment.

BSH932, if you need any help, just PM. I'd be glad to give you a tutorial. They really don't go over that sort of stuff at all in training. I remember those days.:rolleyes:

nicholasblonde 07-10-2008 02:19 PM

Just curious--what are your all's min days off per month for reserves/lineholders? What do your reserves average in terms of flight times? You all have hispeeds/reducedrestovernights/standups?

NavyGSMC 07-10-2008 02:34 PM

Like afterburn81 said this stuff wasn't talked about much in training. I would add that you also need to go on ourasa and update a reserve preference form using the e documents. This form is used to select your on call time, long call or if you want to be converted to a regular line.

nicholasblonde we have 11 days off. 6 golden which they can't move and 5 which they can move if they need. Doesn't seem like they do that to often these days. August will be my 4th month on and I would say I am averaging about 30 hours a month. I am sure that will shrink greatly in the fall. I have done my share of naps or standups on reserve. Got one tomorrow night as a matter of fact.

Is it me or did the reserve lines seem to be crappy this month?

afterburn81 07-10-2008 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by NavyGSMC (Post 422916)
Is it me or did the reserve lines seem to be crappy this month?

Totally, looks like they are restricting people from getting weekends off. I don't understand why seeing as there will be over 50 guys on reserve each day.


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 422897)
Just curious--what are your all's min days off per month for reserves/lineholders? What do your reserves average in terms of flight times? You all have hispeeds/reducedrestovernights/standups?

Also for lineholders it's 12/31 and 11/30 on days off. I have been on reserve for 15 months on the 700 and the average block hours is extremely variable each month. Some months I fly 70-75 hours and some months none at all. It's tough when you go a whole month without flying. When you get back on you tend to have built up a little rust.

Banshee365 07-10-2008 08:19 PM

The reserve lines suck this month, I agree. I wanted the 1-3 off and there isn't even a line that has that, just stupid day's off.

Also, several of the FO's on the 700 this month are IP's from the training department flying there required time on line.

atlmsl 07-10-2008 08:37 PM

I'm on the 200 and been here just over a year. For july I got 3 day trips and 17 days off. Not likely for August, but I'm bidding on 3 days again. I have seen an increase in 3 day trips the past few months and it's been nice. For reserve all you can really do is bid for your GDO. If you're a brand new FO you're pretty much guaranteed short call, so just bid your golden days off, but weekends off is unlikely. Final schedule on the 24th will tell you your exact reserve times. Praying for 3 day trips but expecting 4 day weekends... ugh

atlmsl 07-10-2008 08:39 PM

Oh yeah, and I moved down 8 numbers this month... what the hell. Damn ATR FO's moving over I guess.

Confused 07-10-2008 09:19 PM

Yah I moved down 7 numbers this month. I miss last year when I was slidin up 25 - 30 numbers each month.

atlmsl 07-10-2008 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by Confused (Post 423202)
Yah I moved down 7 numbers this month. I miss last year when I was slidin up 25 - 30 numbers each month.

Yeah, that was nice.... guess it'll be stagnant for a while. If that's the worst it gets, I can't complain

hendefea 07-11-2008 05:15 AM

i couldnt believe the pure # of lines for next month.....380 or something like that on the 50 alone? Dang.

I also have noticed since about 2 months ago...the number of 3 days and naps have gone up alot! I am personally doin naps right now...but i think there were 150 3 day lines right? Pretty good increase i think.

As far as moving down on the plane...i went down about 7 spots as well....atr and 70 guys coming over??

Should be interesting come fall....there will be like 200 people on reserve! But hey...at least for now...we should be thank full that everbody has a job.

John Pennekamp 07-11-2008 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by hendefea (Post 423332)
i couldnt believe the pure # of lines for next month.....380 or something like that on the 50 alone? Dang.

I also have noticed since about 2 months ago...the number of 3 days and naps have gone up alot! I am personally doin naps right now...but i think there were 150 3 day lines right? Pretty good increase i think.

As far as moving down on the plane...i went down about 7 spots as well....atr and 70 guys coming over??

Should be interesting come fall....there will be like 200 people on reserve! But hey...at least for now...we should be thank full that everbody has a job.

Nobody has come over from the ATR for several months. In fact, all of those who had a class in August were notified that the class has been postponed until September.

There have been several senior pilots who bid down from the -700 to the -200. The extra $1.50 per hour isn't worth the lower quality of life. Most of those guys can only get 4 days on the -700, but can hold 3 days weekends off on the -200.

ChadE 07-11-2008 01:55 PM

Kinda Off-topic, but how come my block times I record and log dont match up to what etrip says. And yes I have it on actual not scheduled? Does anybody else have this problem?

atlmsl 07-11-2008 02:00 PM

Doesn't the ramp call your out time without ACARS? There could be a discrepancy with your times and theirs.

cubflyer 07-11-2008 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by ChadE (Post 423734)
Kinda Off-topic, but how come my block times I record and log dont match up to what etrip says. And yes I have it on actual not scheduled? Does anybody else have this problem?

Yes, it is a problem. I keep a spreadsheet with actual vs. scheduled time. Remember, you get paid the greater of scheduled / actual / min. day / rig. etrip doesn't do a good job of accurately listing your credit. The company does a daily audit to correct this, but I keep track of it just in case. They usually get it correct on your paycheck.

ChadE 07-11-2008 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 423737)
Doesn't the ramp call your out time without ACARS? There could be a discrepancy with your times and theirs.

Yea but were talkn big discrepancy. Like etrip has one that I logged at 1.9 at like 1.55

todd1200 07-12-2008 06:50 AM

Etrip is in minutes - So 1.9 and 1:55 would actually be pretty close

ChadE 07-12-2008 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 424151)
Etrip is in minutes - So 1.9 and 1:55 would actually be pretty close

Ahh, now it makes since. Thanks alot!

ThunderChicken 07-12-2008 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 424151)
Etrip is in minutes - So 1.9 and 1:55 would actually be pretty close


Great to know, thanks! I had the same problem and didn't have enough brain power to figure it out myself.

CaribPilot 07-13-2008 04:20 AM

So heres a question: When i submit my monthly reserve request form with call period requests and all that other good stuff, If i check off long call reserve & conversion line, what choice is given preference if both are available?:confused:

atlmsl 07-13-2008 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by CaribPilot (Post 424603)
So heres a question: When i submit my monthly reserve request form with call period requests and all that other good stuff, If i check off long call reserve & conversion line, what choice is given preference if both are available?:confused:

Conversion line

CaribPilot 07-13-2008 12:13 PM

Last question...How does one figure out the most junior guy who got a conversion line?

atlmsl 07-13-2008 12:18 PM

Only thing I can say to do is look at the final schedule and people with a "line" but have a reserve line number (i.e. 704). Then compare their seniorities???

afterburn81 07-13-2008 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by CaribPilot (Post 424799)
Last question...How does one figure out the most junior guy who got a conversion line?

The thing I have noticed in the past is that they never convert a reserve line unless that person has the seniority to hold a line in the first place. For example if there are 150 lines and you are number 145 and bid reserve but for a conversion line they might award you one. But if you are number 151 you can assume they will not convert it.

atlmsl 07-13-2008 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 424811)
The thing I have noticed in the past is that they never convert a reserve line unless that person has the seniority to hold a line in the first place. For example if there are 150 lines and you are number 145 and bid reserve but for a conversion line they might award you one. But if you are number 151 you can assume they will not convert it.

No, in March my whole training class was awarded reserve because of reduced lines and the IOE instructors bidding up 30 something of the hard lines. I asked to be converted to a line, then to long call. I was given a conversion line.


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