Originally Posted by ghilis101
(Post 427283)
this is a totally unfortunate situation. I would have thought the gear was down based on the sound of the gear doors as well. But thats because every airplane Ive ever flown has a mechanical link with the door, meaning if the doors open, the gear is coming down with it. how does the ERJ work?
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Originally Posted by careerpilot
(Post 427526)
They were in the process of going around when they struck the ground. The scenario was attempted in the sim many times and each time they were unable to keep the aircraft flying. The NTSB and the FAA were very impressed with the actions of the crew considering the situation. You guys can arm chair quarterback all you want they did a great job.
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Is it standard procedure there for the PF to drop his own gear? Or maybe just a typo on the part of the media.
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Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 427590)
Is it standard procedure there for the PF to drop his own gear? Or maybe just a typo on the part of the media.
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Any time there's a discrepancy with the gear, a simple flyby will confirm what you know or don't know. This could have ended much worse.
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I met the FO about six months ago during a NIFA Regional competition. He was one of the judges. Little did I know he is a graduate from my college. I recall he told us (don’t remember the exact words ) that apparently they had something like a “gear disagreement indication” (I don’t fly jet’s so take it easy… ) but after x-checking and due to the factor that another indication didn’t “popped” on the EICAS, basically it was a “disregard”
He said that just before the fireworks started, he felt he was a “little low” and no tires on the ground. Added power slowly to avoid sinking the nose into the ground and then you all know the rest of the story. Great Job! |
Originally Posted by tangoindia
(Post 427786)
I met the FO about six months ago during a NIFA Regional competition. He was one of the judges. Little did I know he is a graduate from my college. I recall he told us (don’t remember the exact words ) that apparently they had something like a “gear disagreement indication” (I don’t fly jet’s so take it easy… ) but after x-checking and due to the factor that another indication didn’t “popped” on the EICAS, basically it was a “disregard”
He said that just before the fireworks started, he felt he was a “little low” and no tires on the ground. Added power slowly to avoid sinking the nose into the ground and then you all know the rest of the story. Great Job! Now, had they discontinued the approach and pulled out the QRH they would have found that the very first step is to cycle the landing gear lever. The next step says: IF message persists as a result of extension: ABNORMAL LANDING GEAR EXTENSION procedure..................Perform (conveniently is located on the next page.) Great bit of airmanship, but poor example of systems knowledge and resource management. We can just be thankful that it turned out alright for everyone involved. |
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 427590)
Is it standard procedure there for the PF to drop his own gear? Or maybe just a typo on the part of the media.
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I was a captain on the 145 for over 6 years at XJT. Thank God none of my mistakes were published...it's amazing how much criticism can come from a mistake. There's not a single pilot out there who can honestly say "that couldn't happen to me" ...I'm glad the Eagle guys caught their mistake in time and brought a successful conclusion to a bad situation...
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I can't help but think that this near incident could have been avoided with some better engineering. If the handle was down, and something in the airplane sensed that the gears were not down and locked, then why did it give a 3 green indication? Any one of us could have fallen victim to trusting 3 green lights over one abnormal indication. I personally think that the engineers in this case have a responsibility to ensure that the only thing that can turn that green light on is if the gear is down and locked.
There's something to be said for the ol' stone age technology... |
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