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OntheMissed 07-19-2008 07:00 PM

Reducing flight weight
 
I was just thinking with all of the efforts being made to reduce weight to maximize fuel, do you think management might reduce the amount of non-reving or jump seating on any given flight? Probably not I realize, but if they start calculating a possible average savings of upwards to 500 pounds per flight that isn't making them any sort of cash they could start re-thinking their policies.

JetJock16 07-19-2008 07:11 PM

This is why some airlines are starting to charge a flat fees plus mileage for nonrev traveling. (i.e. DAL)

CRJDriver 07-19-2008 07:13 PM

They could start with some of the F/A's...

WIPilot 07-19-2008 07:34 PM

While it may seem to have no value I think just being a benefit to the employees that is nearly free to the airline would give it worth. I know of many airline employees and such that only have the job for the travel benefits.

I wish I had a sugar mama so I could say the same.

Senior Skipper 07-19-2008 07:52 PM

Here's a better idea for saving cost- instead of spending tens (or hundreds) of millions on executive salaries, pay them something more reasonable. Which Homo sapiens can't make ends meet with 2,000,000 USD per year?

mooney 07-20-2008 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 429394)
Which Homo sapiens can't make ends meet with 2,000,000 USD per year?


Spoiled little brats that think they are better than everyone else and have always had a silver spoon in their mouth, and need large sums of money to make up for their small peckers, ie. airline management.

SomedayRJ 07-20-2008 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 429394)
Here's a better idea for saving cost- instead of spending tens (or hundreds) of millions on executive salaries, pay them something more reasonable. Which Homo sapiens can't make ends meet with 2,000,000 USD per year?

It would be nice to see management asked to provide as much as the worker bees have been in the way of concessions to "keep the place running".

cessna157 07-20-2008 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 429370)
This is why some airlines are starting to charge a flat fees plus mileage for nonrev traveling. (i.e. DAL)

Where did you see that? Or are you just talking the $50 a year?

crjpylot 07-20-2008 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by CRJDriver (Post 429371)
They could start with some of the F/A's...

dang you beat me too it. so true though

SilverandSore 07-20-2008 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 429394)
Here's a better idea for saving cost- instead of spending tens (or hundreds) of millions on executive salaries, pay them something more reasonable. Which Homo sapiens can't make ends meet with 2,000,000 USD per year?


Let's take it a little further. Which Homo sapiens can't make ends meet with 70,000 USD per year? Any airline pilot that makes more than that should have to give it back. In fact, everyone should get the same pay, then we could live in harmony and sing together over the holidays (no one works holidays either!)

Rag on executive salaries all you want, the fact is, executives make what the markets (and Boards) allow. If it's so easy, get a job as an executive. I'm not defending their decisions, only that it's infantile to make blankets accusations and think that somehow you'd affect change.

doug_or 07-20-2008 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 429556)
Where did you see that? Or are you just talking the $50 a year?

DL started a mileage fee for all express employees Dec 7. It was eventually rescinded, but they do charge mileage for parents, designated guest, and buddy passes. This last April they added a fuel surcharge to buddy pass travel on top of the mileage fees.

cessna157 07-20-2008 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by doug_or (Post 429767)
DL started a mileage fee for all express employees Dec 7. It was eventually rescinded, but they do charge mileage for parents, designated guest, and buddy passes. This last April they added a fuel surcharge to buddy pass travel on top of the mileage fees.

Hmm, that's a new one on me. I guess I have yet to get that bill, as I, my parents, and many buddy passes have traveled numerous times since then.

172capt 07-20-2008 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 429762)
Let's take it a little further. Which Homo sapiens can't make ends meet with 70,000 USD per year? Any airline pilot that makes more than that should have to give it back. In fact, everyone should get the same pay, then we could live in harmony and sing together over the holidays (no one works holidays either!)

Or we could have all just voted for Hillary!

Senior Skipper 07-20-2008 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 429762)
Rag on executive salaries all you want, the fact is, executives make what the markets (and Boards) allow. If it's so easy, get a job as an executive. I'm not defending their decisions, only that it's infantile to make blankets accusations and think that somehow you'd affect change.

I don't have a problem with somebody making a good salary. I'd like to make a good salary one day. My problem comes when you're making a TON of money, and the company is not. Worse still, when you fire hundreds of employees, and still find enough cash laying around to give yourself a multimillion dollar bonus. How does that make any sense?

SilverandSore 07-20-2008 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 429836)
I don't have a problem with somebody making a good salary. I'd like to make a good salary one day. My problem comes when you're making a TON of money, and the company is not. Worse still, when you fire hundreds of employees, and still find enough cash laying around to give yourself a multimillion dollar bonus. How does that make any sense?

Well, that's the reality of business. Sure, I'd like to say it's not fair, but that's the way it has always worked. Until share holders put enough pressure on board members to change the 'theory' about hiring high priced 'talent' at the executive level, the system will remain the same. Own enough shares and you can put the bug in their ear!

SomedayRJ 07-20-2008 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by SilverandSore (Post 429932)
Well, that's the reality of business. Sure, I'd like to say it's not fair, but that's the way it has always worked. Until share holders put enough pressure on board members to change the 'theory' about hiring high priced 'talent' at the executive level, the system will remain the same. Own enough shares and you can put the bug in their ear!

And tell your politicians to sponsor laws to keep shareholder accountability strong, too. :)

doug_or 07-20-2008 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 429772)
Hmm, that's a new one on me. I guess I have yet to get that bill, as I, my parents, and many buddy passes have traveled numerous times since then.

? are you saying that your parents and buddy pass riders fly free?

powrful1 07-21-2008 06:05 AM

Its called weight restricted....I have had a company that will remain nameless give numbers (weight) based on the shortest runway which is never used for TO...mistake or intentional?

flyandive 07-21-2008 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by doug_or (Post 429966)
? are you saying that your parents and buddy pass riders fly free?

Parents yes, buddy pass no. Parents get 18 free travel days a year then they pay. Although I think this is only at Delta and Comair and at one time ASA as well. Because being Pwned by Delta is everything! :rolleyes:

Someone at any of the other Delta airlines can correct me if I'm wrong.


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